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Post by dreadnought28 on Jun 3, 2017 16:38:13 GMT
Having played the remixed album several times since my contribution above, I think that Sgt Pepper works beautifully in its entirety, I guess as an opera of sorts. Many of their other songs may be better in themselves but as a whole it is phenomenal and put into its time slot, it's a work of true genius. For example, at that point who would have thought of a reprise of the title track, and then the cross fade with the contrasting A Day In The Life? And, don't forget these guys were 23/4, 24, 26 and 26 when they did this work. As I said earlier I was lucky (to quote Paul Simon) to be Born at the Right Time.
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Post by dobro on Jun 3, 2017 22:28:12 GMT
I think the new mix sounds great, like as they recorded it yesterday (no pun intended).
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Post by 007 on Jun 4, 2017 7:48:21 GMT
Watched the Howard Goodhall programme on the 50 anniversary of SPLHCB last night very interesting and quite technical, worth a look.
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Post by robmc on Jun 4, 2017 9:16:56 GMT
Watched the Howard Goodhall programme on the 50 anniversary of SPLHCB last night very interesting and quite technical, worth a look. I saw this too (after reclaiming my TV from the kids and BGT!)... it was very interesting and really put the album in context. For me it confirmed that it truly is an innovative masterpiece, I guess that's what its cohesive thread is, innovation... but the I still prefer the simpler melodies of their other albums, instinctive modal syncopation and east-west fusion not withstanding.
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Post by andyhowell on Jun 5, 2017 12:35:38 GMT
A very interesting programme.
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Post by ocarolan on Jun 5, 2017 13:11:47 GMT
Howard Goodall rarely fails to both educate and entertain. I enjoyed his Sgt P programme too. I enjoyed even more his book Big Bangs which is the most readable explanation I have read of how Western European music developed. Much helpful stuff about tuning and temerament plus a whole lot more. Recommended. Much of the material in the book appeared in a TV series too, which can be found on DVD and and Youtube. Keith
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Post by creamburmese on Jun 5, 2017 20:09:33 GMT
Coincidentally I just watched the documentary "Sergeant Pepper's Musical Revolution" playing over here on NPR on Sunday. In the documentary they deconstructed the songs and explained how they got the special effects - like playing 9 pianos/keyboards at once, or physically cutting up and repasting harmonium play sheets randomly to get the musical atmosphere of a fairground roundabout. It was fascinating. And this when they were limited to 4 tracks - so had to record the first 4 tracks, combine them into one, then use that as the first track of another 4 track recording. I now hear this album with much more appreciative ears. If you haven't already seen it, I'd thoroughly recommend it.
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Post by andyhowell on Jun 5, 2017 21:52:39 GMT
I remember - years ago when young - multitracking like that. It was a lot of fun but I suspect only when you didn't have to worry about time!
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Post by vikingblues on Jun 5, 2017 22:31:29 GMT
Thanks for the heads up on the Howard Goodall programme - just watched it and it was much better than I was expecting. It's good to get more of an idea about the musical techniques - usually it's just the engineering techniques that get covered in programmes about Pepper. In particular it was fascinating to see and hear the detail of the sophisticated modulations on Lucy, and also it's the first time I've seen Within You, Without You analysed on a proper musical basis and for the song to be given the credit it rarely is, but should be. Mark
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Post by ocarolan on Jun 5, 2017 22:35:14 GMT
Haha Andy - me too. Fostex 4 track cassette deck. Record three tracks, bounce/mix onto remaining empty track (even adding another into it at the same time) then the original three tracks can be over-recorded and added into the already composite track etc etc until you disappear in a haze of tape hiss. I believe I've even posted some of the resulting multitracks somewhere on here a while back....
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Post by vikingblues on Jun 6, 2017 6:20:26 GMT
I remember - years ago when young - multitracking like that. It was a lot of fun but I suspect only when you didn't have to worry about time! Not quite 50, but maybe 45 years back I remember the frustration of the rapidly disappearing quality of the tracks when bounced on tape .... but that was when using just two single track tape recorders to build up layers. It wasn't until 20 years ago I managed to graduate to a 4 track cassette recorder. That seemed wonderful at the time but now seems so primitive. Mark
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Post by ocarolan on Jun 6, 2017 9:06:00 GMT
I remember the frustration of the rapidly disappearing quality of the tracks when bounced on tape .... but that was when using just two single track tape recorders to build up layers. .............. Mark Yup, me too - even one tape transfer resulted in noticeable loss of quality. But it was fun wasn't it! And perhaps more fun than nowadays when pretty good results are to be had relatively cheaply and easily.....? Keith
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Post by andyhowell on Jun 6, 2017 9:40:09 GMT
I remember - years ago when young - multitracking like that. It was a lot of fun but I suspect only when you didn't have to worry about time! Not quite 50, but maybe 45 years back I remember the frustration of the rapidly disappearing quality of the tracks when bounced on tape .... but that was when using just two single track tape recorders to build up layers. It wasn't until 20 years ago I managed to graduate to a 4 track cassette recorder. That seemed wonderful at the time but now seems so primitive. Mark I remember doing it with backing vocals. I think decent engineers used to pick their multi track subjects quite carefully — a bit like the last chord on Day on the Life. With massed backing vocals the quality seemed not so important. Or so I remember!
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Post by Cams on Jun 11, 2017 17:50:53 GMT
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