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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2018 12:18:54 GMT
Is anyone playing a guitar with this true temperament fretboard system? If you are could you maybe discuss the technique required to be able to play notes and particularly chords. I reckon I will stick with my 'regular temperament' guitar........sharp thirds and all.
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Post by ocarolan on Jul 4, 2018 12:48:49 GMT
I have played one, once. If you don't look at the frets everything is fine! Not convinced the intonation was any better than on my guitars.
You're right in sticking to a proper guitar though - a refret on one of those weird ones would cost a fortune.
Most guitars can be made to play acceptably in tune anyway. Well, most of the time....
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Post by colins on Jul 4, 2018 16:02:34 GMT
Intonation is only partly down to the builder, the main influence is the player and their fingering style. I can set a guitar up according to the scope that is perfectly acceptably intonated, but you just need a player that presses the string harder or softer and the intonation is out. Put different gauge or even different make strings on it and it's not going to be the same.
If you get a reasonably well made guitar, just get on and play it, it's probably set up fine, but of course it is still subject to operator interference.
I'm not the world's biggest Martin Simpson fan, but he has the best intonation of any player I have heard.
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Post by andyhowell on Jul 6, 2018 6:59:25 GMT
I’ve played one and wasn’t that impressed. As ocarolan said I’m not sure it improved intonation. I wasn’t that impressed with the sound of that guitar either. For the life of me I don’t understand all of this. I use a number of tunings and just retune after every song. Easy enough.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2018 20:22:00 GMT
I've watched this video and I'm totally confused now about tuning. I (thought) that the B and in particular the G strings can be problematic when tuning. But to downtune the A string by 10 cents and the low E string by 12 cents just seems ludicrous. On my cheapo Tanglewood I generally tune all strings to pitch with the on-board tuner.....and then slightly detune (2 or 3 cents) the low E, B and G strings. Then I'm good to go.
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Post by ocarolan on Jul 6, 2018 21:32:32 GMT
Well, even the most excellent JT can give dodgy advice sometimes! So can I! But you might find this page to be an interesting read - www.lmii.com/scale-length-intonation.. if all the guff at the start isn't your thing, then scroll almost to the end to "The Method". Keith
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2018 8:27:17 GMT
That was a cracking read Keith. If I can't achieve tuning perfection as the written article suggests, then I will embrace my dodgy tuning....a bit like an errant friend or family member.
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Post by colins on Jul 7, 2018 15:20:05 GMT
I always tuned every string to F. No I don't mean all of the strings were open F, that would be silly, but 1&6 on 1st, 2 on 6th, 3 on 10th, 4 on 3rd and 5 on 8th. Should really have been to A I suppose, but I played with a symphony orchestra very, very rarely!
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Post by earwighoney on Jul 7, 2018 18:00:30 GMT
IMO the more attention one pays to the minutiae of intonation the more the likely one's frustrations regarding it are likely to grow.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 9:55:09 GMT
IMO the more attention one pays to the minutiae of intonation the more the likely one's frustrations regarding it are likely to grow. I think you've hit the nail on the head. My attention to intonation isn't so marked now as it was maybe 2 years ago. During my darkest intonation moments I would sit for hours with my electro acoustic wired up to my strobe tuner. Only to be so exasperated that I've replaced guitar on stand without playing anything meaningful (or anything at all really). I've had counselling. Sold on the strobe tuner...and now I can actually play some stuff on the guitar. Albeit rather poorly......with some strings/frets out of tune. That, for me, is progress.
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Post by vikingblues on Jul 8, 2018 15:10:57 GMT
With increasing age I've come to realise I have enough to worry about with my own temperament, so I've come to ignore issues with my guitars temperaments. I play enough bum notes to mean that a slight lack of intonation is of little consequence. Mark
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2018 19:48:59 GMT
With increasing age I've come to realise I have enough to worry about with my own temperament, so I've come to ignore issues with my guitars temperaments. I play enough bum notes to mean that a slight lack of intonation is of little consequence. Mark Great post Mark. If I had played more in the past rather than worry about my intonation.....then I would probably be a half decent guitarist now.....instead of being the proverbial optimist.
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