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Post by andyhowell on Oct 10, 2019 7:59:02 GMT
Does Pierre Bensusan really need my kickstarter support to produce his new album?
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Post by brianr2 on Oct 10, 2019 10:10:34 GMT
Does Pierre Bensusan really need my kickstarter support to produce his new album? I had exactly the same thought when I got his email. I think there are other, less established musicians who better deserve such support. Brian
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Post by Riverman on Oct 10, 2019 10:34:25 GMT
I imagine we’re going to see more and more of this. With seemingly the whole world turning to Spotify, how can anyone pay back the recording costs? Not from CD sales or downloads, that’s for sure. I speak from bitter experience
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Post by stevie2sticks on Oct 10, 2019 10:37:25 GMT
I'm new to DADGAD and bought his DADGAD Guitar Intuite and his printed song book, which are bang tidy and will keep a thicko like me busy for a very long time.
But I'm a real tight Yorkie and parting with money brings a cry of "how much how much".
Yes I'd buy his new CD but no I'm not into a kick start, BUT he is a professional at the top of his game so why work cheap?
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Post by leoroberts on Oct 10, 2019 13:36:00 GMT
Maybe he’s suffering cash flow problems? I used to despair of ‘established’ artists doing this but I don’t really have a problem with it any more. If you’re going to buy the CD anyway then it’s not really any different from ordering it in advance, is it? As I’m *not* going to buy the album, I’ll not support its production. That seems reasonable
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Post by Akquarius on Oct 10, 2019 20:32:55 GMT
I don't think it's for me to judge whether he needs a fund or not, but I so think that Leo has a point here.
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Post by andyhowell on Oct 11, 2019 6:58:29 GMT
If Pierre is suffering cash flow problems they are likely to be less accrue than mine.
He’s still able to have this professionally recorded and mixed at his own recording studio :-)
I think these artists ought to consider the impact on their image. It is different for people struggling at the bottom and I might be happier at supporting them!
I appreciate earning your living through touring as you get older gets harder but I doubt he is going to stop!
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Post by martinrowe on Oct 11, 2019 7:39:53 GMT
It's up to him, he can do what he wants. Just because he's putting his music out there for people to buy, and in some way becoming a public figure, doesn't give anyone the right to determine his decisions. Especially people who possibly never had the courage to take the very precarious route of trying to make a living doing what they want to. If you like his music, get involved at whatever level you want to, if not then get on with your own thing and ignore him. I'm sure he won't mind a jot. Some people think life is too short to spend time wanting others to have the same values as themselves. There may be some people who like the idea of, in some way, playing a part in that recording being made. I think at the Colston Hall in Bristol people can sponsor a seat. Why anyone would want to do that is beyond me, but it takes all sorts. Well, there's a two pennies worth and some people will disagree - but that's all right.
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Post by Riverman on Oct 11, 2019 7:51:25 GMT
It is different for people struggling at the bottom and I might be happier at supporting them! Thanks for the offer Andy, I’ll send you my bank details
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Post by andyhowell on Oct 11, 2019 9:38:08 GMT
It's up to him, he can do what he wants. Just because he's putting his music out there for people to buy, and in some way becoming a public figure, doesn't give anyone the right to determine his decisions. Especially people who possibly never had the courage to take the very precarious route of trying to make a living doing what they want to. If you like his music, get involved at whatever level you want to, if not then get on with your own thing and ignore him. I'm sure he won't mind a jot. Some people think life is too short to spend time wanting others to have the same values as themselves. There may be some people who like the idea of, in some way, playing a part in that recording being made. I think at the Colston Hall in Bristol people can sponsor a seat. Why anyone would want to do that is beyond me, but it takes all sorts. Well, there's a two pennies worth and some people will disagree - but that's all right. Of course, I appreciate that but this seems to me to be part of a move to shove things up the line a little. He can do that of course but equally I can say I'm not that happy with it! It seems odd to me. I suppose what is really annoying me is my email inbox getting full up with begging requests for cash from people who (I presume) don't need it. But — it's not just musicians that suffer that :-)
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Post by peterh on Oct 11, 2019 10:19:47 GMT
Hello all,
I feel in 2 minds about this, but as a jokey addition , there are people who think P B might get some benefit from your Dadgad video!
See yer Peter H
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Post by andyhowell on Oct 11, 2019 10:44:20 GMT
Hello all, I feel in 2 minds about this, but as a jokey addition , there are people who think P B might get some benefit from your Dadgad video! See yer Peter H Ha ha, I don't mind that at all. I think he's a great player and I buy his albums and see him live! I suppose there is something wider than I'm feeling uncomfortable about but this might just be me! Just assume for the moment we are all in some kind of acoustic guitar 'community'. Certainly in the UK it is a pretty small one; a lot of us know each other one way or another. I just sense a growing momentum for these online places to be dominated by discussion about high end guitars, collectability and so on. Now, there is nothing wrong with that per se but it is a rich person's game. Now, I have three quite expensive guitars a Martin, a Santa Cruz and my luthier built guitar. I like talking about guitars but to a point. For me what is most important is the music and the sharing of experiences around that. Of course, expensive guitars are part of the experience but I feel we are getting too dominated by all of that. I know there are people here who are keen musicians and want to improve but are not in the position to have spend the cash on even one of my guitars. I might be being overtly sensitive or off beam here but I suppose what I'm saying is that — for me — the more we go along this route the less appealing these 'communities' are!
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Post by Banadog on Oct 11, 2019 11:16:27 GMT
As an aside....the picture of him on his website...surely that chord is impossible to play?
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Post by andyhowell on Oct 11, 2019 11:25:59 GMT
As an aside....the picture of him on his website...surely that chord is impossible to play? The answer is probably no. I looks like an F minor chord to me. (Yes I know who plays in F minor). One of the challenges of DADGAD is the stretching. I asked Michael Watts once why he hadn't considered a fan fret and the response was the stretches are simply too much. I understand that. I can stretch quite a bit but nothing like that. But that's why he's Pierre and I am not! I've composed a couple of DADGAD pieces that have significant stretches in them (actually these make the tune). I can't though pick up a guitar cold and play these — I have to be warmed up a bit before I can tackle them. I suspect that (as a proper musician) Pierre warms up properly. Iv'e seen him play that chord — one of his Intuite pieces is I think based around it.
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Post by Akquarius on Oct 11, 2019 12:21:13 GMT
Does Pierre Bensusan really need my kickstarter support to produce his new album? Andy, I just checked Monsieur Bensusan's website. Apparently this is not at all a kickstarter thing, but a sponsorship. The album will be released anyway and, according to his website, for a sponsorship of 280 Euros the sponsor's name will be shown in the "patrons roll of honour" inside the album plus it includes the CD and 2 tickets for a concert. For me this has nothing to do with a crowdfunding or kickstart, but mostly with customer retention. I don't want to be pedantic, but I really think your question went in a completely wrong direction. No offence meant, of course.
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