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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 10:31:41 GMT
Thanks Keith.
The buyer has decided to take it at the agreed price anyway (2 am txt saying he wanted it!) so I won't try it myself. I'll give him the information and let him do it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 12:20:56 GMT
Not sure why I replied twice.
I think sometimes my brain just farts.
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Post by ocarolan on Jul 2, 2020 12:40:06 GMT
... a problem so widespread that we have a smiley especially for that purpose .... Glad the sale is going ahead. Keith
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 19:01:11 GMT
Sale is now done and he seems very happy with it (as he should - it's a stunning guitar and would be better amplified using mics rather than a pick up anyway).
I hope I don't wear that smiley out.
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Post by thewanderer on Jul 2, 2020 20:32:03 GMT
Glad it all worked out well in the end
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Post by Matt Milton on Jul 3, 2020 8:15:25 GMT
What model is the Lakewood? 46mm nut is right up my street. (Before you get your hopes up, I absolutely am not in the market for a new guitar, but I'm always curious to know about wider nut guitars)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 9:01:12 GMT
Thanks.
It's an M32-CPG, cedar top. It's sold. I think the 46mm was custom. I believe their standard nut width is 45mm.
I'm now thinking about an all myrtlewood Breedlove and making myself sit on my hands.
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Post by colins on Jul 3, 2020 9:30:32 GMT
I don't know why players insist on talking about nut width, the critical measurement is string spacing, not nut width. A 46mm nut with 3.5mm string spacing from the edge is effectively the same as a 45mm nut with a 3mm string spacing from the edge. Rather than sell a guitar because the nut is 46mm rather than 45mm, just replace the nut and increase the edge spacing by 0.5mm. When building for a known player, I liked to look at them playing and see if their fretting style needed a greater or lesser edge spacing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 9:46:11 GMT
I don't know why players insist on talking about nut width, the critical measurement is string spacing, not nut width. A 46mm nut with 3.5mm string spacing from the edge is effectively the same as a 45mm nut with a 3mm string spacing from the edge. Rather than sell a guitar because the nut is 46mm rather than 45mm, just replace the nut and increase the edge spacing by 0.5mm. When building for a known player, I liked to look at them playing and see if their fretting style needed a greater or lesser edge spacing. You make a great point, but that wasn't the main reason I sold the guitar. I just prefer my Larrivees and the only reason I picked it up was to justify owning it to myself. The string spacing was fine.
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Post by ocarolan on Jul 3, 2020 11:09:26 GMT
I don't know why players insist on talking about nut width, the critical measurement is string spacing, not nut width. ....................... Absolutely so, Colin. A while back, and possibly still now, (I don't know,) many Seagull guitars had a wider nut width than many, but still with the string spacing of a narrower nut. But I do find nut width to be a handy "rule of thumb" measurement, shorthand if you like, in that I know a 45 + mm nut width can give me room for the string spacing I prefer, even if I have to put a new nut on to achieve it . A 44mm nut might just suffice, depending on other circumstances (see below). A 43mm or less nut width will not allow the string spacing I prefer whatever I might do in the nut dept. (Hence my struggle with most electrics for other than simple playing.) The other major factor in determining what max string spacing might be possible is the shaping of the playing surface at the fret ends. This can affect the available playing surface (and hence space between top and bottom strings) by a mm or more. Some frets are shaped with a gentle runoff toward the f/b edge (wasting potentially available playing width of the fret), others have a much more acute drop an the end which makes fullest use of the potential width. Keith
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Post by Vinny on Jul 3, 2020 12:16:57 GMT
I don't know why players insist on talking about nut width, the critical measurement is string spacing, not nut width. ....................... Absolutely so, Colin. A while back, and possibly still now, (I don't know,) many Seagull guitars had a wider nut width than many, but still with the string spacing of a narrower nut. But I do find nut width to be a handy "rule of thumb" measurement, shorthand if you like, in that I know a 45 + mm nut width can give me room for the string spacing I prefer, even if I have to put a new nut on to achieve it . A 44mm nut might just suffice, depending on other circumstances (see below). A 43mm or less nut width will not allow the string spacing I prefer whatever I might do in the nut dept. (Hence my struggle with most electrics for other than simple playing.) The other major factor in determining what max string spacing might be possible is the shaping of the playing surface at the fret ends. This can affect the available playing surface (and hence space between top and bottom strings) by a mm or more. Some frets are shaped with a gentle runoff toward the f/b edge (wasting potentially available playing width of the fret), others have a much more acute drop an the end which makes fullest use of the potential width. Keith Agree with all of this. I’d also add that nut width is a factor when using your thumb to fret the sixth string. And I just can’t play electric - I can’t blame nut width for that.
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Post by ocarolan on Jul 3, 2020 13:17:55 GMT
........................I’d also add that nut width is a factor when using your thumb to fret the sixth string.................... Spot on Vinny! As indeed is the entire neck profile but in particular the contouring of the f/b edge into surface and the distance of the bottom string from the edge. Oooh isn't life complicated. This is becoming an excellent thread diversion! Keith
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Post by colins on Jul 3, 2020 14:13:22 GMT
When fretting the sixth string with the thumb it is the gap between the sixth string and the edge of the fretboard which is critical (and the neck profile), not in my view the actual width of the nut. For players who did this I often had a smaller gap on the bass side than the treble, and a fretboard of course isn't a parallel thing but tapers, so how do you get on when playing up the neck if you only like 45mm nut spacing. I'm sorry but I still believe that many players get their undies in a twist over nut and yes string spacing. I've had players try one of my guitars and say how easily it plays, then ask the nut width, when told 46mm, I'm then told they only like 45mm or 44mm, the answer of course is don't measure it. If you don't like a string spacing it's a £3 piece of bone and half an hour of work or so to make a new nut. You wonder how classical players manage with a 52mm nut and 46mm string spacing, and you ought to have seen my 10 course lute, even when my fingers were full length, they weren't very long.
Sorry, but this is a subject I've been discussing for 50 years or so, and have strong views on it.
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Post by ocarolan on Jul 3, 2020 14:35:40 GMT
Can't see any disagreement here at all Colin, far from it - no need to be sorry! Keith
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 15:03:08 GMT
I think what you're saying is really important and valuable Colin, and I haven't ever heard anyone else make those points so clearly - which is crazy when I think about it.
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