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Post by oustudent on Oct 16, 2020 10:15:17 GMT
Came across this today, I need to read it few times for it to sink in but the highlights are
- In the UK it is illegal to advertise, buy or sell a guitar containing Brazilian Rosewood without the instrument having an Article 10 certificate
- This applies to dealers, retailers and private sales, eBay, Reverb, Facebook
- A guitar with CITES restricted wood, most vintage instruments, needs an export certificate from the UK and an import certificate in to its destination country, and vice versa. If it hasn't it will be seized at customs.
- Don’t bury your head in the sand or invest a large sum of money without the correct paperwork.
- If the guitar does not have an Article 10 Certificate, do not buy
- Remember, it is not an investment if you cannot sell it
Seems a bit dramatic
Thoughts / Comments ?
J
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Post by scorpiodog on Oct 16, 2020 12:04:58 GMT
Crikey, I had thought musical instruments were deregulated under CITES. It seems they were unless they contain Brazilian Rosewood or other Appendix 1 species.
The law of unintended consequences triumphs once more, it seems.
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Post by vikingblues on Oct 16, 2020 19:06:07 GMT
The backdated element (if I'm reading it right) just shows the law's a donkey. Or to be fair the lawmakers are. Not for the first time, and not the last. Guitar made pre 1947 OK, between then and 1992 you need to prove it was bought before 1992. Chances of proving you bought a guitar that has Brazilian Rosewood on it before 1992?! I can see the shop / dealer having a good laugh at that request. I wouldn't even be able to remember which shop I bought a guitar from that long ago and it's likely it would have gone out of business anyway. Then you have the privilege of spending £31 for the certificate - bit of an extortion racket. But, pre 1947 you're OK. Hmmm - I'm sure we all have a load of guitars that old. Mark
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Post by dreadnought28 on Oct 16, 2020 23:14:37 GMT
The best thing you can do is keep quiet. They don’t appear to enforce it. Remember the old proverb, never ask a question if there’s a danger of getting the wrong answer.
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Post by andyhowell on Oct 17, 2020 9:28:39 GMT
The best thing you can do is keep quiet. They don’t appear to enforce it. Remember the old proverb, never ask a question if there’s a danger of getting the wrong answer. Spot on. Mind you, you probably have more Brazilian in your gaff than most wood suppliers do ;-)
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Post by curmudgeon on Oct 27, 2020 17:53:54 GMT
Can't help but think that this is somewhat outdated. Wasn't there and admittance that the rules were made without considering musical instruments.
Wasn't there something about the amount of BRW on a guitar? like some sort of weight proportion ?
Personally I wouldn't buy a guitar with BRW or Madagascar anyway, but - a bit of trim?
BTW - abalone can also be an issue.
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Post by colins on Oct 28, 2020 8:39:20 GMT
All of the BRW I have ever used on guitars, dating back 25 years has been from recycled furniture, or from very old stock. I started buying old brown furniture, even where the tops may have been veneered, the legs and frames were usually from solid wood, it's amazing how many bridges and fingerboards you can get from a sideboard carcass. My best mahogany necks have come from Victorian bed frames. Old brown furniture is still unfashionable, at least me, and the other guitar makers following the same path were giving the wood a new life.
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