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Post by jonnymosco on Apr 25, 2021 16:18:20 GMT
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Post by andyhowell on Apr 26, 2021 13:07:17 GMT
Looks a very fine instrument already!
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Post by jonnymosco on Apr 27, 2021 19:32:37 GMT
Looks a very fine instrument already! Great to have the opportunity to see the innards, especially the Spanish heel. Stefan Sobell's neck joint is something similar, but apart from that, bolt on necks seem to be the norm - I discovered that Collings even use a bolt on neck which is odd given their adherence to the vintage Martin build concept. I'm sure the neck being integral to the body has an impact on the sound properties. Jonny
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Post by skyetripper on Apr 28, 2021 6:45:32 GMT
Gorgeous. Jealous.
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Post by Phil Taylor on Apr 28, 2021 7:03:41 GMT
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Post by andyhowell on Apr 28, 2021 7:06:53 GMT
Looks a very fine instrument already! Great to have the opportunity to see the innards, especially the Spanish heel. Stefan Sobell's neck joint is something similar, but apart from that, bolt on necks seem to be the norm - I discovered that Collings even use a bolt on neck which is odd given their adherence to the vintage Martin build concept. I'm sure the neck being integral to the body has an impact on the sound properties. Jonny My Lucas has a Spanish heel — I guess quck and easy maintenance is more important for a volume producer!
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Post by jonnymosco on Apr 28, 2021 19:43:21 GMT
andyhowell Do you mean that the Spanish heel is integral to the volume produced by the guitar and lots of builders opt for bolt-on for ease? This is an interesting area for discussion... what is the evidence to suggest the neck being joined with a Spanish heel, or even a dovetail joint, benefits the sonic properties of the guitar? Jonny
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Post by otis1960 on Apr 28, 2021 20:01:33 GMT
Definitely an interesting question to pose to the guitar builders amongst us. I have no expert knowledge to apply, although I do know a man in Penrith who no doubt has some firm views on the subject
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Post by andyhowell on Apr 29, 2021 6:34:47 GMT
andyhowell Do you mean that the Spanish heel is integral to the volume produced by the guitar and lots of builders opt for bolt-on for ease? This is an interesting area for discussion... what is the evidence to suggest the neck being joined with a Spanish heel, or even a dovetail joint, benefits the sonic properties of the guitar? Jonny I don't know though I would wonder about stability. I guess a bolt on neck is a better tool for heavily gigging musicians who need quick maintanance. There must be pros and cons either way?
Why not ask Ralph whathe thinks?
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Post by malcolm on Apr 29, 2021 18:44:13 GMT
andyhowell Do you mean that the Spanish heel is integral to the volume produced by the guitar and lots of builders opt for bolt-on for ease? This is an interesting area for discussion... what is the evidence to suggest the neck being joined with a Spanish heel, or even a dovetail joint, benefits the sonic properties of the guitar? Jonny I have two very fine guitars with bolt on necks and a couple more with traditional dovetail joints, I used to own a Froggy Bottom with a Spanish heel neck joint and I must say that the neck joint is of no importance to me at all. I'm sure dovetail joints are mostly just tradition, in fact I have had a well respected luthier admit to me that he wishes he had started out with bolt on necks, because now he can't change or people will think he is cheapening the brand!
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Post by francis on Apr 29, 2021 20:19:29 GMT
Adrian Lucas ajlucas uses a modification of the Spanish heel on some of his guitras
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Post by andy3sheds on Apr 29, 2021 20:50:55 GMT
Does anyone else remember the Howe Orme cylinder top guitar that Nigel Forster brought along to the forum meet a few years ago with the totally adjustable neck. Nigel could reconfigure the action in the time it takes to check the tuning. It certainly put to bed any uncertainties I might have had about bolt on necks
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Post by andyhowell on Apr 30, 2021 7:14:41 GMT
Does anyone else remember the Howe Orme cylinder top guitar that Nigel Forster brought along to the forum meet a few years ago with the totally adjustable neck. Nigel could reconfigure the action in the time it takes to check the tuning. It certainly put to bed any uncertainties I might have had about bolt on necks I thought that was a fascinating guitar and I decided that if I very comissioned a Forster I'd be going for the Howe Orme system. I've noticed a few other luthiers in the USA beginning to use a similar neck system and so there must be real advantages.
Like everything I guess it is horses for courses. Take a top clasical artist who travels with an expensive guitar but who maybe plays infrequent concerts.Then you have rock, folk, blues, country artists who are gigging every night on tours — this takes its toll on guitars and the need for regular and quick maintenance probably means a bolt on makes a great deal of difference.
As Francis has said Adrian Lucas uses the Spanish Heel and there is one on my guitar. I have no idea whether this has any sonic effect _ but it is a fine sounbding instrument!
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Post by Onechordtrick on Apr 30, 2021 7:59:31 GMT
I suspect that sonically there are far greater factors in play than the way that the neck attaches and that the benefits are ease/cost of manufacture and maintenance rather than the sound. I'm sure that there are as many great sounding sounding guitars with as a bolt on neck as there are poor sounding ones with traditional necks. Even if we could get a luthier to build a pair of "identical" instruments except for the neck I doubt there would be any consensus over which was "better".
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Post by Onechordtrick on Apr 30, 2021 8:00:25 GMT
P.S. jonnymosco, didn't mean to derail your thread, that's a lovely looking guitar!
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