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Post by lavaman on Dec 13, 2015 23:18:09 GMT
Rob
I love your 'before and after' picture above. On the left a douglas fir door, on the right a douglas fir guitar. It's looking good. Happy birthday for the 20th, you deserve a holiday.
Iain
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Post by R the F on Dec 14, 2015 23:07:40 GMT
Rather a lot of pictures of laburnum coming up - and it's not the prettiest of colours. A long time ago they used to sell six-inch-long sticks in sweet-shops and you put them in your mouth and gnawed at them as you walked home from school and the inside was the same sort of colour as laburnum wood. This is about the bridge. It's the same as the last bridge I made except that I've decided to split the saddle into three pieces this time and, when I've finalised the positions for each string on the saddle(s), I'll saw a little groove joining the two dots and pop a piece of fret wire in there and that will be the last contact the string makes with solid ground. At least, that's the plan. Bridges start with a piece of wood: Here's mine with everything that matters marked out on it; There are dots for the holes and for then ends of the string channels and for the saddles. In fact, I've started excavating the channels and I decided to do it with a nice slow drill in a stand so that I was not startled by the roar of the router. (You may have guessed that I broke the router bit I normally use last week and ruined the first blank at the same time). I drilled some 4mm (diameter) holes to a depth of about 6 mm and then cleaned them up with a chisel; a bit like real woodwork. I then drilled reference holes right through to the back so that I could locate the correct position of the little "housings" where the ball-ends of the strings sit when they are under tension: Next drilled out these housings on the reverse: They're only about 4.5mm deep. Back to the front to drill the holes through at about 20 degrees: and this is what you're left with: (The odd hole in the corner is, of course, just a practice run). Next a variety of tools to try to scoop out some neat channels for the strings to run in: And then the base needs sanding to suit the front of the guitar: Yes, I've just noticed it's backwards, too. Of course that shouldn't make any difference but I'll just check it's okay tomorrow. Finally, I cut it out approximately to shape: I'm sure I would have got back on schedule by finishing the whole thing if it hadn't been for an appointment at the orthodontists - now there's an area the NHS could save an awful lot of money - with Bryn the boy (not the guitar). That was followed by a visit to the vet with Jack the dog all rounded off by picking up the other boy who had had yet another puncture. And then taking the first one to scouts. Oh and finally mending the puncture. Dinner.... Washing up.... That's why this is a bit late tonight....
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Post by R the F on Dec 15, 2015 22:58:21 GMT
I'm afraid I went slightly off piste today so don't expect to see any frets. I carried on where I left off with the bridge and managed to plane and rasp and sand it down to 18g compared to 25g (if I remember rightly) with the last one, which starred in Almost finished first build. I was hoping to lose a bit of weight here as recommend by ajlucas and Scott van Linge - amongst many, no doubt. Then I wetted it to raise the grain, which I'm using as an excuse to include another photo: A very fine sanding to remove the rough bits when dry and out came the Bichromate of Potash (This stuff is dangerous; use conventional stains instead.). Now this photo doesn't really do it justice because the camera has compensated for the much darker colour of the bridge by lightening the background so you can't really see how dark it has gone: This one probably does the job better: With a bit of shellac on it - or oil - it'll come up lovely! Next on the list was "Finalise fretboard profile" so I spent quite a while finalising the shape of the fretboard but more particularly the neck. I had to remove a couple of millimetres from the thickness and alter the profile considerably from my earlier approximation and, by the time I had finished that, I realised that I might as well give the rest of the guitar a final sanding. I went through 100, 180, 240 and 320 grit over the whole guitar; now I know where all the little gaps and rough bits are and took care care to collect some sawdust to mix with glue or egg-white or something to fill them before I set about the polishing. Here is the neck being sorted out: Finally, I thought it might make sense to glue a cap on the heel so that I wouldn't have to wait for any glue to go off in the morning. I chose a piece of laburnum for the task: It'll be the same colour as the bridge of course - as will the fretboard. I was also toying with the idea of putting some walnut veneer over the front of the headstock since I've never felt quite comfortable with the slice of Douglas Fir that's on there at the moment. Have to see how I feel about it tomorrow. Although I would appear to have left my "programme" entirely today, I think I have in fact taken quite a chunk out of the polishing section since the whole guitar is now satin smooth and thirsty for shellac; so, although I could be said to be a day behind, things might turn out to be better than that. Pretty good progress today, I feel, especially since I also ran about 5 miles and went to assess damaged furniture in two different locations. I'd better go to bed.
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Post by R the F on Dec 16, 2015 21:42:31 GMT
I made the decision to veneer the headstock with a bit of burr walnut (to match the back - sort of) so got the hot hide glue on to heat up good and early - about 9 - to give it chance to go off a bit before I needed to trim the veneer and polish it. The traditional process involves hot glue and hot wood and a veneering hammer. Normally you have to veneer both sides of the board because the veneer gets swollen by all the heat and moisture and stretched by all the pushing around with the veneering hammer so that, when the glue cools and the veneer dries off, it shrinks back and can warp the board unless both sides are being pulled equally. It's only a little headstock and relatively thick so I didn't bother. Here is my hand and the hammer squeezing out the glue: And this is the result: Looks like a mess but is pretty easy to clean up. Ten minutes later I noticed that the veneer was indeed exerting a bit of a pull: See the gap opening up? Yes, it was pulling the Douglas Fir off the headstock along one side. This is not the first time things have come unglued on this guitar so I just get on with fixing it now. The hot glue was ready and my feeler-gauges at the ready to slide into the gap and then I cramped it up: While that was sorting itself out, I could start staining and polishing at the other end. The soundboard and purfling/binding were not to be stained so I masked off the fingerboard and neck and then put a couple of fads of shellac over the soundboard to seal it off and then took a fine sable brush and coated in all the maple lines and sapele binding - in other words, everything that wasn't walnut (back and sides) or mahogany (neck & heel): Twice I did this though, as I discovered later, this was not quite enough to ward off the ferocious activities of the bichromate of potash (This stuff is dangerous; use conventional stains instead.). Anyway, with rising heart-rate and a freshly mixed jar of potassium bichromate solution in one hand and a piece of skin-wadding in the other, I set about the chemical staining of the walnut and mahogany. The effects were dramatic. Here it is still wet, which gives a better idea of the colour it will be when polished: Sorry they're nasty flash photos but I didn't have time for anything else because they were drying off as I watched. As I hinted earlier, the maple lines and the Douglas Fir strip down the middle of the neck were slightly infiltrated by the stain - 3 coats next time - but altogether quite an effective 10 minutes! The walnut has gone a walnut colour and the mahogany has gone incredibly dark but, I imagine, by the light of day and with some polish, will be a rich red Victorian mahogany colour. Tomorrow I can begin by coating the whole thing in with shellac and then fill any remaining crevices before polishing on. The neck will have to wait until I have loaded the frets on to the fingerboard since I don't want to damage the fresh polish on the back of the neck when banging them home. I'll have to give the polish time to go off from time to time so this will be a good use of my free moments. Here is the last picture I took today of a dry but stained guitar - (is it a bit flash?):
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Post by alig on Dec 17, 2015 10:03:08 GMT
Wonderful. Really, really enjoying this thread.
PS You certainly get your steel wool in bulk!
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Post by davewhite on Dec 17, 2015 11:49:27 GMT
Rob, Looking magnificent Potassium bichromate is a new one on me - is it used a lot in furniture making and restoring? Having Googled it I was a little scared to read it being "acutely and chronically harmful to health" as it is supposed to be carcinogenic and "highly likely to induce sensitization leading to dermatitis, especially of the hand and fore-arms, which is chronic and difficult to treat." But I suppose there's a lot of things that we use in guitar making that have similar properties - we just need to know how to take care. I love lists - the greatest invention. They were successfully introduced to increase civil aviation safety levels. I'm also reminded of the luthier's mantra "so little time, so much to stuff up"
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Post by R the F on Dec 17, 2015 13:00:27 GMT
Potassium bichromate is a new one on me - is it used a lot in furniture making and restoring? Not sure how much it's used really. I have very rarely (once that I remember) used it on mahogany when a really rich red mahogany (to Victorian taste) was required but that's very rare. Glad it's so rare since it's as dangerous as that. Don't worry, I wore my marigolds and washed it all down with water but I suppose I should put out a warning to anyone else reading this thread that it's not nice stuff but I sort of assumed people would know how nasty it was if they had some of it. Anyway, you've already warned them; thank you! Actually, I much prefer using water stains; you have a lot more control over intensity and colour.
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Post by R the F on Dec 17, 2015 13:14:09 GMT
Just thinking about it you've got me a bit worried. There's always the chance that someone might use it a little carelessly after reading my stuff! I wonder if the powers that be on this forum could add a few words to my thread so that it says, "This stuff is dangerous; use conventional stains instead" whenever Potassium Bichromate is mentioned. How do I go about that?
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Post by R the F on Dec 17, 2015 13:27:18 GMT
I love lists - the greatest invention. You may have noticed, however, how quickly lists need modifying to match reality!
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Post by davewhite on Dec 17, 2015 14:06:50 GMT
Just thinking about it you've got me a bit worried. There's always the chance that someone might use it a little carelessly after reading my stuff! I wonder if the powers that be on this forum could add a few words to my thread so that it says, "This stuff is dangerous; use conventional stains instead" whenever Potassium Bichromate is mentioned. How do I go about that? Rob, Don't worry - I think you just have. As I say there's lots of other stuff like this that is used that has similar dangers and is generally available. People using them should make them selves aware of how to use them safely.
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Post by ocarolan on Dec 17, 2015 14:26:04 GMT
Rob - although I'm inclined to agree with Dave, I have responded to your request to add your health warnings to previous posts - thanks for your concern. And thanks again for taking the time and trouble to document this fascinating build.
Keith
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Post by Martin on Dec 17, 2015 14:54:41 GMT
Great build thread, Rob. So detailed with lots of reasoning/explanation and great photos
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Post by R the F on Dec 17, 2015 15:17:43 GMT
I have responded to your request to add your health warnings to previous posts Thanks, ocarolan, for putting my mind at rest so quickly. And further thanks to you and to Martin, alig, lavaman and davewhite for recent kind words about the thread. Now back to polishing!
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Post by R the F on Dec 17, 2015 22:26:19 GMT
Spent a fair time scraping and sanding the surface off maple lines and starting to fill irregularities with pigment in shellac and with wax of various hues to make sure everything was fairly tidy before I started polishing. Then I put a fad - a screwed up piece of skin wadding - cotton wadding with a skin on it - - of shellac over all the bare parts of the guitar apart from the fingerboard. This takes it to something like the finished colour: And the headstock was, I think, the right decision: I then set about polishing the front and one side; you have to lay it down on the back and side as you go so you can't do the whole thing at once. Hope you appreciate the action shots! And my hand is in the hole because the front, you'll remember, is sticky with polish and you've got to hold it firmly somehow. I then turned to preparing some frets while I let the front and side harden off to some extent. I've decided - another change of mind and miles from the careful planning of a week ago - to put the frets in once all the polishing is done and just hope I can get away without damaging the polish on the neck; it's easy enough to repair, anyway. (At least that's the plan at the moment). I started by unbending a longish piece of fret wire - Evo gold - until it approximated a 16" radius; I see you can spend rather a lot on a tool to do this but my rough-and-ready method seemed to match my target fairly closely. Then I cut pieces to length - with a bit over: Yes, one day I'll make one with 21 frets! They also make a rather more useful tool for removing a bit of tang from each end of the fret; without it, it takes quite a lot of fiddling with needle files and a junior hacksaw to arrive at the desired form: I did three and then decided I could get back on to polishing the back and the other side; the front and first side were still soft but I used a sheet of foam covered with greaseproof paper under it and look quite a lot of care not to damage the work I'd already done. In fact it doesn't seem right to end without some final photos so I'll just go and get it from the workshop to take a last photo or three!
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Post by R the F on Dec 17, 2015 22:39:44 GMT
By the way. What do I finish a fingerboard with? I've only ever used richlite and rocklite for fingerboards in the past and they're not wooden. I presume I oil it; but does that just mean finishing oil or should I be looking at a special fingerboard oil?
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