leitrimnick
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Post by leitrimnick on Feb 22, 2017 11:27:30 GMT
It should be said that my hearing isn't quite as good as it used to be, which may be an explanation if they're in the highest range, but I genuinely could not hear any extraneous noises Somehow my cursor is trapped inside the quote box!! I trust my old ears for my own mixing and mastering and I have to agree...I can't hear anything which would bother me. Admittedly, I have not played the file through heaadphones or studio monitors. Nick
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Post by vikingblues on Feb 22, 2017 19:16:33 GMT
Mark - yes, I think you're right about the mic patterns. Just as well, because external noise could be a bit of a problem here otherwise. I record some way away from, but facing the window so that the mics point away from it. It's only when a fire engine or ambulance goes screaming up the hill about a quarter of a mile behind the house that I have to stop and wait awhile. Of course that usually happens just as I'm getting to the end of what I'm thinking is a good take! Yes, the mics are going to separate tracks and in most cases the noise is slightly worse at the neck/body join end, but it's evident on both tracks. I'm not doing any mixing at the moment - the current balance just reflects the gain on each channel. I know this can be changed later in the mix. One thing that's bothering me slightly is that, when I had the NT1a at the neck/body position and the M3 behind the bridge, I much preferred the sound of the former. Now I've switched them I prefer the M3...obviously I just prefer the sound from the neck/body join. I'm hoping that my friend who'll do the mixing will be able to minimise the sound effects whilst retaining the elements of the sound that I really like. I'll try some further tweaks to the M3 positioning though - thanks for the suggestion. It's a phenomena that should have a name. An interruption by noise from an outside agency that messes up the best take of the day. It happens to often to be coincidence! The sound from the neck/body join does appear to be the most favoured recording position for both players and engineers, and it's the 'goto' for a single mic recording. I think it was only when i had an omni microphone pointing at the bridge end of the guitar that things really fell into place. I am a bit out on a limb on my own with the Omni solution though, despite banging on about it so often on the forum! Good luck with your attempts to get the sound tweaked to where you want it. Andrew IS right - once you've noticed a problem, it's very difficult to just accept it and stop noticing it. Mark
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Riverman
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Post by Riverman on Feb 22, 2017 20:34:31 GMT
Thanks everyone for your reassurances that the noises on the clip I posted weren't really that bad...being marginally OCD, I've concluded that I didn't pick the most representative section of the affected recordings! No matter though, as relistening to a take of the same song I did last week (and which I originally rejected as being a bit rough) I can only hear a couple of squeaks, which fall well within acceptable parameters - ie they prove it's a human being playing. I'll be doing more recording over the next couple of days, taking into account the helpful suggestions made in this thread. Thanks again all.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2018 19:37:27 GMT
I've spent the last year experimenting a lot with self recording the acoustic, I wrote up my notes here, may be of some use! hermetechmastering.com/2017/11/06/recording-acoustic-guitar/I've since also bought a lovely little 3U Audio Warbler 127 small diaphragm condenser with the 'cardioid flat' capsule, which has become my fave for acoustic. I really want a Neumann KM84, will probably have to get one at some stage, but they are not getting any cheaper!
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Post by Riverman on Mar 12, 2018 17:19:17 GMT
Thanks Gregg Hermetech. Everything in your notes makes perfect sense, though from my own experience I'd add another factor to no 1: every day can sound different, even when you're being careful to keep all other variables constant. Which just goes to prove, I suppose, that the real weak link can be the organic matter between the performer's/listener's ears! I did eventually get a satisfactory recording of that song, though I didn't include it on my album - for reasons to do with the sequencing of the tracks, rather than any concerns about sound quality. If you're interested, you can hear some of the tracks that did make it - there are three or four in the Plucky Duck.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 17:26:51 GMT
Excellent, will check them out!
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Post by andyhowell on Mar 12, 2018 17:27:18 GMT
I'm not being funny, but what's wrong with that? It sounds like somebody playing the guitar? You can get far too obsessed with clean sound — I managed to wheen myself off that years ago :-)
There are no wrong noes or bum notes there? Fines on fretboards on hands on necks just sound normal to me.
You could think of recording with two small condensers which I find better. You might try flipping the phase of one of the mics.
But it honestly sounded fine do me — am listening through home studio speakers!
Perfection is over-rated. It's like a vocal. A vocal always sounds better with a little bit of distortion.
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Post by Riverman on Mar 12, 2018 17:34:18 GMT
This is an old thread that's been resurrected from last year Andy...listening again now, I'm not sure I can hear much either, but I think I was in that self induced spiral of doubt you can get into when recording and relying entirely on your own ears.
That said, there were definitely a couple of recording days when my hand was making all sorts of extraneous noises on the back of the neck, rather than just the usual fingering noises from the fretboard. Whatever it was, I managed to work through it - but it was good to get the reassurance and guidance of more experienced forum members.
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Post by andyhowell on Mar 12, 2018 22:20:08 GMT
Ah ha! Threads from the dead.
I’ve just made extraneous noises part of my sound and technique :-)
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Post by ocarolan on Mar 13, 2018 0:11:35 GMT
................. I’ve just made extraneous noises part of my sound and technique :-) Ah, so it really was you farting then...? Keith
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Post by andyhowell on Mar 13, 2018 8:10:24 GMT
................. I’ve just made extraneous noises part of my sound and technique :-) Ah, so it really was you farting then...? Keith I’ve got really good at disguising sounds ...
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