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Post by andyhowell on Feb 14, 2019 14:54:20 GMT
bellyshere But often it is not that different. Of course, if you were mixing for vinyl you had to limit the length of the side and your base could only be in mono :-) As has been said plugins work pretty well and if you have the whole Waves collection then you have a lot to play with (maybe even too much!) I have a friend who is a pretty good engineer working with jazz and classical musicians. He will often record with multiple mics (which can be mixed later on). The signal goes to a tape deck and doesn't record but comes straight back out and into Protools on the computer. In other words one tape head is recording and the other playing back into the computer. This gives you an analogue effect and the sound of that tape. This stuff sounds sonically amazing to me but you sholud see his prices! He makes a TNAG guitar seem like something your grandad bought in Woolworths! I saw something similar to this set up recently on the Sound on Sound You Tube channel. This is two episodes showing how a leadingnew York studio records piano. fascinating if you really want to stretch your inner geek!
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Post by bleatoid on Feb 14, 2019 17:34:17 GMT
I have a reel of tape of me and two mates recorded playing and singing in ?1967. I also have an LP made from it at the time. The quality is dire. Might post some extracts from it if I can find the time - will probably be the earliest recordings to appear in the Plucky Duck! Keith We want to hear that Keith. ....and we also want to see what you were wearing at the time, Keith.....
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Post by bellyshere on Feb 14, 2019 18:17:37 GMT
bellyshere But often it is not that different. Of course, if you were mixing for vinyl you had to limit the length of the side and your base could only be in mono :-) As has been said plugins work pretty well and if you have the whole Waves collection then you have a lot to play with (maybe even too much!) I have a friend who is a pretty good engineer working with jazz and classical musicians. He will often record with multiple mics (which can be mixed later on). The signal goes to a tape deck and doesn't record but comes straight back out and into Protools on the computer. In other words one tape head is recording and the other playing back into the computer. This gives you an analogue effect and the sound of that tape. This stuff sounds sonically amazing to me but you sholud see his prices! He makes a TNAG guitar seem like something your grandad bought in Woolworths! I saw something similar to this set up recently on the Sound on Sound You Tube channel. This is two episodes showing how a leadingnew York studio records piano. fascinating if you really want to stretch your inner geek! Yeah watched a few on that channel. Very what the hell are you on about Geekery.
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Post by andyhowell on Feb 15, 2019 8:27:51 GMT
bellyshere I find this recording thing leads to a certain obsession (at least it does for me). It brings out my inner geek ! I underdstand your dilemma. You have a certain sound in your mind that you want to find. I suspect it is something to do with the dynamic range of digital which rather easily sounds harsh. If you have all the Waves plugins I would try using the Schepps 1076 and the Kramer Master Tape, both of which I hear great things about (thoughn I have only tried them im demo). The 1076 I was very impressed by. By far the best pluguin I have found is the Dyone Mulitband compressor from Leapwing Audio. With this everything is aplied in parallel and it can be very subtle and very 'musical' sounding. It's not cheap though!
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Post by bellyshere on Feb 15, 2019 8:35:32 GMT
There is a demo of the dyone. I’ll give it a go.
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Post by andyhowell on Feb 15, 2019 8:55:05 GMT
There is a demo of the dyone. I’ll give it a go. Do. The default settings are good and there are some seriously good presets to start playing from. YOu cna use this on your mix bus, it is great for mixing and I've found it superb at helping me get something of intruments I am not that familiar with — I've used it on a flute and on a violin recently.
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Post by bellyshere on Feb 15, 2019 9:13:47 GMT
I’ll use it on the bus thingy when i know what that is.
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Post by ocarolan on Feb 15, 2019 10:47:49 GMT
I’ll use it on the bus thingy when i know what that is. There'll be another along in a few minutes....
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Post by scorpiodog on Feb 15, 2019 11:11:07 GMT
Didn't The Who have a record called The Magimix Bus? Ah! All is now clear!There was me thinking it was a typo, but I should have realised that andyhowell always carefully proofreads his posts!
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Post by andyhowell on Feb 16, 2019 9:46:42 GMT
I’ll use it on the bus thingy when i know what that is. The final stereo channel ;-)
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Post by andyhowell on Feb 16, 2019 9:47:11 GMT
Didn't The Who have a record called The Magimix Bus? Ah! All is now clear!There was me thinking it was a typo, but I should have realised that andyhowell always carefully proofreads his posts! I always aim to entertain ;-)
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Post by NikGnashers on Feb 23, 2019 10:21:50 GMT
Tape is great It adds natural compression, which makes music sound 'better' in a way which our ears like. That is a simplistic way of looking at it. Tape is the same as any other recording medium. With digital, the higher the bitrate, and sample quality, the more potential to capture more information and thus better quality sound. With tape, the wider the tape, and the faster it moves across the recording head, the more information is captured and the better the quality of the sound. Studio master tapes are widest, and the machines can spin very fast yet with high accuracy due to them being made to high standards of extremely expensive high quality engineering. They also need constant repair. A home reel to reel is not quite on a par, but if you have a scope, & alignment tape, and can understand how to keep the mechanical side of things in top condition, then it can still be as good quality potentially, as a 45rpm vinyl record, maybe even slightly better. Of course, any recording is only as good as the original source !
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Post by andyhowell on Feb 25, 2019 8:17:25 GMT
NikGnashers Tape does indeed do that but then so do many plugins. For what we are talking about it is how you use them that is the key!
I have played around with a few tape plugins and the one I have preferred is the Waves Abbey Road Tape Machine.
That being said my favourite compressors and saturation(which is basically what a tape plugin is) are from Klanghelm and cost less than €20!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 8:54:01 GMT
I'm a beta tester for Klanghelm, they really are fantastic value. His MJUC (tube compressor emulation) is one of only two digital compressors I will use. He has 'cut down' free versions of most of his plugs too, IVGI is the free saturation one, I have used it on masters before! klanghelm.com/contents/products/IVGI/IVGI.php
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Post by colins on Feb 25, 2019 9:47:36 GMT
Almost all of my recordings were made onto tape, some professional studio stuff, but most on either my old Revox or Ferrograph reel to reel machines. If I could have recorded straight to vinyl, then that would have been even better! Why use a digital gizmo to try to emulate tape, when you can just use tape?
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