minorkey
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Post by minorkey on Jun 14, 2019 20:28:36 GMT
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Post by oustudent on Jun 14, 2019 20:31:50 GMT
I have guitars with slotted pins and slotted bridge, can't say that I notice any difference. As far as I am aware I don't have guitars that have both together.
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frank
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Post by frank on Jun 14, 2019 21:33:37 GMT
I think if it is a problem why do the big guitar makers sell guitars with slotted pins , if there is maybe a problem with tone or bridge plate problems , ?
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Post by colins on Jun 15, 2019 10:16:15 GMT
The big manufacturers sell their guitars with slotted bridge pins because it cuts down on the process of slotting the bridge/top for unslotted pins so saves time and money. I don't know many custom builders who would consider putting slotted pins on a guitar. With slotted pins the ball end sits on the edge of the hole, and can cause bad wear, when you use a slotted bridge and unslotted pins it will push the ball ends away from the hole edge and back into fuller contact with the bridge plate causing far less damage. I see no real benefit of slotted pins except the ease of manufacture. I'm not bothered about the transfer of energy, that is mainly through the saddle, but the reduced damage to the bridge plate to me is important, replacing or repairing a bridge plate can be a real pig.
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Post by earwighoney on Jun 15, 2019 17:12:45 GMT
The big manufacturers sell their guitars with slotted bridge pins because it cuts down on the process of slotting the bridge/top for unslotted pins so saves time and money. I don't know many custom builders who would consider putting slotted pins on a guitar. With slotted pins the ball end sits on the edge of the hole, and can cause bad wear, when you use a slotted bridge and unslotted pins it will push the ball ends away from the hole edge and back into fuller contact with the bridge plate causing far less damage. I see no real benefit of slotted pins except the ease of manufacture. I'm not bothered about the transfer of energy, that is mainly through the saddle, but the reduced damage to the bridge plate to me is important, replacing or repairing a bridge plate can be a real pig. This is great info and I wish I knew this MUCH EARLIER ON! One of my guitars has pretty bad damage to the bridge plate, which will need to be either plugged or replaced at sometime.
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minorkey
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Post by minorkey on Jun 15, 2019 23:29:25 GMT
How about using unslotted pins on an unslotted bridge?
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Post by davewhite on Jun 16, 2019 7:30:12 GMT
How about using unslotted pins on an unslotted bridge? Great plan apart from the minor detail that there's nowhere for the strings to go
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Post by curmudgeon on Jun 16, 2019 9:12:46 GMT
All I know (on a Sunday morning(!) is that my first Collings guitar has slotted pins (as standard) but their method was changed some tie between then and 2003 and now all Collings take unslotted pins.
Also, further and not withstanding heretofore whereas their (always ebony) pins are the mildest push fit.
But I've replaced them all with bone pins ..'cos they are prettier ... unslotted of course.
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Post by davewhite on Jun 16, 2019 10:03:47 GMT
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Post by curmudgeon on Jun 16, 2019 10:33:50 GMT
I was taught that the ball ends should be running in the same direction as the strings, and so I bend the string just at the end of the double winding, to guide the ball end properly and the pin just secures it.
For slotted pins you can file the end so it slopes thereby stopping the ball end getting caught on the flat end.
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Post by ocarolan on Jun 16, 2019 12:58:48 GMT
As per curmudgeon, I've been bending my ball ends for years... Keith
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Post by Vinny on Jun 16, 2019 13:19:32 GMT
Bending my ball ends... I’m reconsidering attending Halifax. Vinny
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Post by ocarolan on Jun 16, 2019 14:20:50 GMT
Bending my ball ends... I’m reconsidering attending Halifax. Vinny ...although highly recommended, it's not on the absolutely compulsory list of things to do in Halifax .... Keith
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Post by geddarby on Jun 17, 2019 13:53:28 GMT
Halifax 2019
Saturday afternoon workshop” “Bending One’s Ball Ends”
Expertly demonstrated by Mr K. Chesterton (aka @ocarloan)
How’s about it ?
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Post by robmc on Jun 17, 2019 14:29:54 GMT
Never mind Michael Fassbender, we've got Keith Ballbender... although I'm not sure we'd benefit from a quick demonstration. I understand, like a Jedi Knight, it takes many years of meditation and dedication to become a true Ballbender.
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