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Post by Onechordtrick on Mar 1, 2022 13:17:41 GMT
Think Ligeti, Berio, Stockhausen and the like. Or not like! Mark
In the early 80's I was a DJ on a college f.m radio station in Tasmania - during a fundraising radiothon I played Stockhausen's 7 days in it's entirety (around 29hours). Never seen a switchboard light up like that since! We set a target for donations to make it stop but we didn't reach it so kept it going. I think it was Beecham who, when asked if he’d heard any Stockhausen replied “No, but I believe I have stepped in some."
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Post by vikingblues on Mar 1, 2022 14:55:20 GMT
Do you ever have problems with your sinuses, or tinnitus? I was diagnosed with an underactive thyroid gland about a year ago and - just occasionally - it will give me odd mixes of symptoms like tiredness, dehydration, ringing ears, weird mood swings. I have found sometimes that, during one of these bouts, everything I played just sounded really ugly to me, in a jarringly physical way. It almost gave me a physical sensation of having a bad taste in the mouth. A very odd feeling. That is very interesting Matt! Nasty for you that you get that - I hope it's not too often - sounds horrible. But it's got me wondering.
I used to have sinus problems and often resorted to Sudafed tablets, but it's very rare now.
Back then I also used to have a trouble with what low frequency sounds did to my ears - there was a coffee bean grinder in the local coffee shop that hit just the wrong frequency and I just couldn't hear any conversation even if it was shouted - those other sounds became muffled. Tinnitus - some for me, usually in the sense of a high pitched whine - that does kick in a bit sometimes, but not too severe.
Maybe the tinnitus can also result in a lower level frequency sound that I'm not really aware of, but maybe it could be a sound that could clash with other notes from an instrument because it's not in tune with them?
I will maybe see if can dig up anything on this subject - thanks!
Mark
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Post by fred7 on Mar 1, 2022 20:04:41 GMT
My ears are never out of tune but the ears of my listeners very often are.
Seriously though, I do sometimes think my guitar sounds muffled - as if it has 20 year old strings on it. Then the next day will sound perfectly clear again. Must be down to my ears as everything else is constant.
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Post by Vinny on Mar 1, 2022 20:44:17 GMT
My ears are never out of tune but the ears of my listeners very often are. Seriously though, I do sometimes think my guitar sounds muffled - as if it has 20 year old strings on it. Then the next day will sound perfectly clear again. Must be down to my ears as everything else is constant. That reminds me of the Eric Roche quote, “There are no wrong notes, they’re just notes from other songs.” I get days when I just can’t seem to be able to tune the guitar, when the previous or following days it seems fine. My voice is a different story entirely. I use Keith’s E modal, 079900 and an A, x02255 to check tuning. Dm, xx0231can often highlight tuning imperfections too when other open chords sound fine.
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Post by dreadnought28 on Mar 1, 2022 23:44:03 GMT
Here’s the definitive advice on tuning from James Taylor.
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Post by skyetripper on Mar 2, 2022 7:52:23 GMT
I also have a similar issue with tuning my guitars - some days I actually think the various different tuners that I have are having a bit of a laugh at my expense. There is of course the dreaded B string issue that all guitars have to some extent in standard tuning (equal temperament issues which I won't try to explain, cos I can't). I too have tinnitus and MS, so I think it's probably just me. When I was a young pup, the band I was in made some recordings in the church hall and my overriding memories of these is the bits where we started a song, then you can hear me pipe up with 'Hang on, hang on; guitar's out of tune'. Maybe I'm just pernickety..
(Great James Taylor video by the way - love the fact that he has as much bother tuning his guitars as we mortals do!)
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Post by curmudgeon on Mar 4, 2022 14:52:59 GMT
I think that this only poves my theory that the OP like many/most of us hear/see/taste /feel things differently from day to day. The influencers are many including whether you had a good night's sleep, drunk coffee, have high /low blood pressure, been suddenly taken drunk, in a good or less good mood, or been away with the fairies.
I am very very old and nearly dead, probably due to my teen and twenties behind a drum kit with ever increasingly loud amps either side of me, or attending the gigs of others or the effects of radio therapy on my head and neck in 2017, my hearing has changed radically and my tinnitus which has been a variable volume of a C# whistle for years is now more like an air raid alarm.. but varies from time and throughout the day. (worse late at night).
I can usually tell if one of my guitars or one string is out, but I confess that I'm now largely reliant on my TC Electronics tuners - partly laziness n my part.
Vikingblues - don't worry about it -it's all a apart of growing up/old. At least you dolt have "Viking hand as well (like I do Dupuytrens contracture).
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Post by vikingblues on Mar 4, 2022 21:53:01 GMT
I think that this only poves my theory that the OP like many/most of us hear/see/taste /feel things differently from day to day. The influencers are many including whether you had a good night's sleep, drunk coffee, have high /low blood pressure, been suddenly taken drunk, in a good or less good mood, or been away with the fairies. I am very very old and nearly dead, probably due to my teen and twenties behind a drum kit with ever increasingly loud amps either side of me, or attending the gigs of others or the effects of radio therapy on my head and neck in 2017, my hearing has changed radically and my tinnitus which has been a variable volume of a C# whistle for years is now more like an air raid alarm.. but varies from time and throughout the day. (worse late at night). I can usually tell if one of my guitars or one string is out, but I confess that I'm now largely reliant on my TC Electronics tuners - partly laziness n my part. Vikingblues - don't worry about it -it's all a apart of growing up/old. At least you dolt have "Viking hand as well (like I do Dupuytrens contracture). You certainly put my concerns into perspective curmudgeon, and yes, I'll put the worry on hold! Though I'll remain inquisitive about the possible cause(s) of the tuning conundrum - I liked your list of suggestions, and most could apply to me. Apart from the drunk one - I've sadly become very sensible on that in my retirement years - I push the boat out with a glass of wine with Sunday dinner.
Your Dupuytrens contracture is a nasty thing to have, particularly for someone who likes playing guitar where you need more than thumb and index finger. I'm very sorry to hear you have it.
You are so right about the growing old factor.
However much you feel it's something that'll only happens to other people, the truth is to the contrary. Way less of an issue than Dupuytrens, but I have at least found some positives in that the progress of my arthritic finger joints is slower than it was with my father. He had to give up playing piano / clavichord due to that and since I first got the signs of it I've known it'll happen - if I can extend that time by being careful it's a win. It's also encouraged me to play in a slower way which has encouraged me to concentrate more on melody and tone - an overall win musically I think.
Mark
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Post by papadon on Mar 26, 2022 6:52:34 GMT
I spent thirty years of my life as a construction superintendent and I've always known that whatever my eyeballs told me I couldn't dispute the square and the level. Never the less they often did. When it comes to my guitar sometimes the same thing happens. Mostly not with being in tune but more often with it just sounding bad even though things are the same all around. I probably will never know what causes that but there it is damn it.
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Post by Phil Taylor on Mar 26, 2022 8:27:55 GMT
I don't have a problem hearing if a guitar is out of tune but I certainly have a problem re how my guitars sound and it's not humidity or anything similar. I do have tinnitus but I have come to the conclusion that it's simply my hearing and it can vary from day to day and during a day.
If I'm doing a recording I just set up as normal and always leave judgement on the sound for a few days or longer sometimes so I can test it with 'good' ears when they choose to appear........
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Post by papadon on Mar 26, 2022 8:33:06 GMT
Ain't it a stinker?
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Post by fatfingerjohn on Mar 26, 2022 8:39:56 GMT
Sorry if this moves the thread a little away from the main subject but I find the reference to hearing issues relevant. I've had hearing problems for many years in one ear and at particular frequencies (it so happens it's at female voice level ). After lots of family nagging, I had a hearing test 3 weeks ago which confirmed what I knew; right ear well down particularly at higher frequencies. And of course the tester was keen to sell me £3,000 worth of hearing aids which did everything including opening the curtains via Bluetooth (p.s. my teeth are OK). I have heard that wearing hearing aids can make the guitar in particular (but other instruments as well) sound funny/squeaky/out of tune etc. Have any of you out there who wears hearing aids had experience of this?? Would be interesting to know. FFJ
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Post by Phil Taylor on Mar 26, 2022 8:50:31 GMT
Sorry if this moves the thread a little away from the main subject but I find the reference to hearing issues relevant. I've had hearing problems for many years in one ear and at particular frequencies (it so happens it's at female voice level ). After lots of family nagging, I had a hearing test 3 weeks ago which confirmed what I knew; right ear well down particularly at higher frequencies. And of course the tester was keen to sell me £3,000 worth of hearing aids which did everything including opening the curtains via Bluetooth (p.s. my teeth are OK). I have heard that wearing hearing aids can make the guitar in particular (but other instruments as well) sound funny/squeaky/out of tune etc. Have any of you out there who wears hearing aids had experience of this?? Would be interesting to know. FFJ When I was first diagnosed with tinnitus years ago (15? probably longer) they gave me some hearing aids on the basis that if you get more sound into your ears it helps mask the tinnitus. The sound of my guitar whilst wearing them was truly awful. I didn't wear them and eventually binned them. I suspect the technology has moved on since then.
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Post by jangarrack on Mar 26, 2022 9:22:59 GMT
I usually use a tuner as a starting point but that nearly always gives me a horrible sounding D chord in the xx0557 position..... Jeff That should have said xx0775. This has been a surprisingly interesting thread and it's good to know I'm not the only one that experiences these tuning issues. Jeff
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Post by lavaman on Mar 26, 2022 9:53:14 GMT
Sorry if this moves the thread a little away from the main subject but I find the reference to hearing issues relevant. I've had hearing problems for many years in one ear and at particular frequencies (it so happens it's at female voice level ). After lots of family nagging, I had a hearing test 3 weeks ago which confirmed what I knew; right ear well down particularly at higher frequencies. And of course the tester was keen to sell me £3,000 worth of hearing aids which did everything including opening the curtains via Bluetooth (p.s. my teeth are OK). I have heard that wearing hearing aids can make the guitar in particular (but other instruments as well) sound funny/squeaky/out of tune etc. Have any of you out there who wears hearing aids had experience of this?? Would be interesting to know. FFJ I have hearing aids for age related hearing loss of high frequencies. Loosing high frequencies means you hear spoken vowel sounds well but have difficulty distinguishing between constanant sounds. My earpiece blends natural sounds with electronically amplified higher frequencies. The trouble is the electronics introduce a few milliseconds of latency so, until you get used to it, it sounds like a chorus pedal. It makes any guitar sound tinny. They still sound in tune though. Iain
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