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Post by newdave on Oct 25, 2023 18:42:34 GMT
You know - they do that thing on the final chord.
It doesn't make any difference to the sound - except perhaps to them because it's making their heads move - and it looks daft.
It doesn't matter how much you shake it. You haven't got a Bigsby and you look like an arse. Stop it.
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Post by NikGnashers on Oct 25, 2023 20:56:07 GMT
LOL
I thought the same thing when I first saw Wizz Jones play, although I love the bloke and his music, I just don't hear any vibrato or anything else when he shakes his guitar.
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Post by Onechordtrick on Oct 26, 2023 7:29:06 GMT
Probably because they've seen another guitarist do it on YouTube....
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Post by fatfingerjohn on Oct 26, 2023 8:42:08 GMT
Hi,
I also have wondered why 'good' guitarists quite often during playing, move their fretting hand rapidly up the whole length of the neck and back down again before playing the next part of the sequence? Is there a genuine reason (reduce tension in the hand?). Personally it takes me all my time to just get to the next chord from the previous one without losing the whole of my 'fretboard geography' by moving my whole hand and forearm about a foot away rapidly.
FFJ
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Post by newdave on Oct 26, 2023 8:53:14 GMT
Don't know about yours fatfingerjohn but I was pondering the shaking while dropping off to sleep last night and it occurred to me that maybe they'd put some uncooked rice in the sound hole and were trying to use it as a maraca.
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Post by delb0y on Oct 26, 2023 9:07:20 GMT
Hi, I also have wondered why 'good' guitarists quite often during playing, move their fretting hand rapidly up the whole length of the neck and back down again before playing the next part of the sequence? Is there a genuine reason (reduce tension in the hand?). Personally it takes me all my time to just get to the next chord from the previous one without losing the whole of my 'fretboard geography' by moving my whole hand and forearm about a foot away rapidly. FFJ Guilty as charged! Although maybe not the 'good' bit. I can't speak for others, but for me I think it happens during my "thinking" moments when I'm not sure what I'm going to play next, so my hand is moving up and down ready for whatever my brain comes up with. I read once that the good soloists aren't thinking when they improvise - that they covered all that cerebral stuff in the woodshed, and when it's time to solo they just play and their subconscious takes over. Alas, I've never been like that, I always have to think "What's this chord? What do I know that fits over it? What's the melody right now? Where's my hand..? Blast, that chord's now gone by whilst I was thinking about all this stuff! What chord are we on now?" I think my hand is hovering, waiting. Probably better to keep it in one place, but I don't, and have never thought about it until now. Here's a case in point:
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Post by Onechordtrick on Oct 26, 2023 10:04:06 GMT
Hi, I also have wondered why 'good' guitarists quite often during playing, move their fretting hand rapidly up the whole length of the neck and back down again before playing the next part of the sequence? Is there a genuine reason (reduce tension in the hand?). Personally it takes me all my time to just get to the next chord from the previous one without losing the whole of my 'fretboard geography' by moving my whole hand and forearm about a foot away rapidly. FFJ I refer the honourable gentleman to my previous comment on this matter
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Post by fred7 on Oct 26, 2023 19:21:16 GMT
The only genuine reason for shaking an acoustic guitar in any way is to retrieve your pick.
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Post by gsans on Oct 27, 2023 8:12:32 GMT
Pierre Bensusan covers various vibrato techniques like this for acoustic guitar in The Guitar Book, and you can hear a good demonstration and explanation of a few of them here:
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Post by newdave on Oct 27, 2023 11:00:09 GMT
gsans - Does it work when he does it? I can't watch that at the moment. I'll give it a go when I get home. I've never heard any change in the sound when I've seen others do it. The intention is obvious but the effect is zero and it just looks a bit silly.
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Post by gsans on Oct 27, 2023 11:43:02 GMT
gsans - Does it work when he does it? I can't watch that at the moment. I'll give it a go when I get home. I've never heard any change in the sound when I've seen others do it. The intention is obvious but the effect is zero and it just looks a bit silly. It very much does! And sounds great! Might be worth having a listen first, without looking at the video, and then listening again while watching. You can also hear these sorts of techniques when you listen to his albums, and albums by lots of other players (John Smith and Louis Campbell come to mind as people who I've been listening to recently). It can vary from being very subtle to fairly in your face depending on the style. There are of course a lot of variables that make it more or less noticeable including mic position, audio quality, what the mix is like, listening situation, etc etc. And of course any technique can easily become a habit to the point that it is employed without thinking about it, which can lead to a less deliberate/less measured/less effective execution (speaking from personal experience!). If that makes sense!
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Post by Riverman on Oct 27, 2023 13:40:16 GMT
Pierre Bensusan covers various vibrato techniques like this for acoustic guitar in The Guitar Book, and you can hear a good demonstration and explanation of a few of them here: I think this demonstrates perfectly why guitarists (me included) sometimes do this, with no audible effect. We’re trying our damnest to be as good as Pierre Bensusan, and failing miserably.
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Post by Phil Taylor on Oct 27, 2023 13:41:09 GMT
I’ve used to good effect I think a few times in particular in Un Seuno (last video but one) and you can hear it in this recording at 1.14 of ‘Rivers’ on Bandcamp. philiptaylor1.bandcamp.com/track/riversPhil
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Post by Phil Taylor on Oct 27, 2023 19:25:45 GMT
Double post
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Post by NikGnashers on Oct 28, 2023 7:39:46 GMT
I wonder if David Gray wobbles his head while singing for the same reasons ?
"Babylon ...." *wobble wobble*
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