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Post by Onechordtrick on Mar 8, 2024 6:38:20 GMT
No, not that kind!
The one you get when you’re playing perfectly, ever note is right, and then you press the record button and it all goes awry.
Any tips for overcoming it?
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Post by leoroberts on Mar 8, 2024 6:41:19 GMT
1. Masking tape over the LED bulb 2. Hypnotherapy 3. Copious amounts of alcohol
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Post by Phil Taylor on Mar 8, 2024 8:04:15 GMT
I don’t believe there is one………
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Post by delb0y on Mar 8, 2024 8:06:41 GMT
The serious answer is one has to play the tune hundreds of times, so much that it is totally ingrained and that one can almost have a separate conversation whilst plucking the piece. This can, of course, take weeks and months, but does give you the benefit of knowing the tune so well that you can add all the subtleties in - dynamics, tone variations, etc.
This, I assume, is what professionals do. As they say, amateurs practice until they get something right, professionals practice until they never get it wrong.
Alas, I usually get so excited when learning a new tune that I set up the phone within an hour of making it through the piece for the first time, press record, and play...
About a month later, when playing the tune at a much better standard, I look back at what I posted and say to myself: "Why didn't I wait? Next time I'm going to wait!"
But, invariably, the same thing happens the next time.
I suspect that we all (or at least those of us that suffer from this - some here clearly already do the following) simply needed to practice more.
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Post by leoroberts on Mar 8, 2024 8:15:43 GMT
I am positively affronted that you did not consider my answer to be serious, Derek 🤣
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Post by Onechordtrick on Mar 8, 2024 8:18:48 GMT
1. Masking tape over the LED bulb Actually I’m sure that “They” are recording everything I do. Perhaps I could ask for a copy of the good takes. Last time I was hypnotised I spent the next 6 weeks as a duck. And, as we all know, ducks can’t play guitar I’m honest unsure as to whether I could consume any more
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Post by Phil Taylor on Mar 8, 2024 8:51:49 GMT
I do everything delb0y talks about in terms of playing the piece over and over etc but I still struggle recording and it usually takes multiple takes and in double figures. I also struggle with concentration when recording. I read or heard someone’s observation that “thinking is the enemy of flow” and that is so true. My mind wanders and I start thinking I’m doing ok here or not long to go etc. and that’s when the mistakes happen. I sweat too 😂
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Post by delb0y on Mar 8, 2024 9:55:55 GMT
I recalled reading this, and just found it again: Work and Worry (whoever that is) talking to Stefan Grossman. I love Ton Van Bergeyk, but it sounds like even he couldn't get it right sometimes:
W&W – Was your perspective that with someone like Ton Van Bergeyk or Lasse Johansen, these sort of guitar-monster European players, that the playing and the arrangements would speak for themselves, and that you didn’t have to fuss so much over the sound of the recordings?
Stefan – No, we tried to get the best sound possible, always. In the studio, the problem was that the guys who played the real intricate arrangements, they could never play them from beginning to end, so you needed to have a good editor, whether it was me or Nick, who could cut it up and put it together.
So perhaps the secret is simply multiple takes and some editing!
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Post by colins on Mar 8, 2024 11:51:50 GMT
In the olden days, when I could play, I did a lot of recording, mainly just audio, but with studio time booked and engineers staring at you through the glass you had to be ready to go. When at home, my policy was to always hit the record button when practicing a piece, I had a decent Revox reel-to-reel and recorded every complete run through of a piece until it just became the norm for me to have the tape running. With today's digital systems this has become even easier. If recording becomes the norm when you play, then it should be no big deal. If you do end up with a great 'take' when practicing, then just add a nice video over the top and you have your YouTube upload ready to go. I do notice that a lot of recordings by less experienced players tend to speed up very slightly as they get towards the end, remember that the gaps between the notes are as important as the notes. I know he says what a struggle recording is, but just listen to one of Phil Taylor or ocarolan recordings and you'll see what I mean. Oh and as delb0y noted above, a good editor is gold. Like everything else, the more you practice the easier it gets.
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Post by doc on Mar 10, 2024 1:36:07 GMT
I’m honest unsure as to whether I could consume any more What kind of attitude is that!?!?!?
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Post by Matt Milton on Mar 10, 2024 13:47:32 GMT
Sadly I don't think there is a cure. I don't even think practicing it ad infinitum helps either. I think some people just get Red Light Fever and some don't. I have songs that I've practiced to death and it makes no difference. I can play them perfectly, can play them in my sleep, but the second I know I'm being recorded I go to pieces. I will fluff the very first note. I will forget the opening line. I will sing the word 'glove' instead of love'. I just think some of us have a self-sabotaging gremlin in them. Someone mentioned hypnotherapy - I seriously would consider this!
The only way I get close to getting over it is by just recording and playing for hours. It does seem to go away if I just hit record and leave it recording. I stop thinking about doing 'takes' and just play my set. Uses a lot of disk space though - so I generally dump all the stuff onto a hard drive. I do find that recording 5 or 6 songs in succession, then going back over the same 5 or 6 songs in order, works better than trying to get the perfect take of 1 song. I think it's because my brain is fooled into thinking I'm playing a gig, which I find a much more comfortable situation than recording.
That's actually what I do when preparing for a gig anyway - just record my set into my phone, note where I sing flat or sharp, or fluff a chord, practice those parts then record the set again.
I can't do recording studios though, it's just too embarrassing (and expensive).
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Post by scorpiodog on Mar 11, 2024 12:03:49 GMT
I think it's a case of press record, play, fluff, swear, start again. Eventually you'll get an acceptable take. You may not understand the 4th step. Here is an example from a few years ago (if I remember correctly it was when Dave White did one of his road trip guitars): Examples of frustration and profanity.
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Post by leoroberts on Mar 11, 2024 12:48:58 GMT
Fair play for keeping 'em, scorpiodog! My (many, many) false dawns get deleted - I don't have a big enough hard drive This whole thread isn't helping me prepare for Thursday's trip to Brokenhead to record for the www.righttofoodguitarsessions.com. On video. Audio is bad enough, but having to remember to not stick my tongue out will be a challenge that I may find insurmountable...
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Post by martinrowe on Mar 11, 2024 15:28:49 GMT
I think it's a case of press record, play, fluff, swear, start again. Eventually you'll get an acceptable take. You may not understand the 4th step. Here is an example from a few years ago (if I remember correctly it was when Dave White did one of his road trip guitars): Examples of frustration and profanity.I like the way it builds as a sort of inverted crescendo towards the final lyric at the end
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Post by robmc on Mar 12, 2024 13:54:18 GMT
Fair play for keeping 'em, scorpiodog ! My (many, many) false dawns get deleted - I don't have a big enough hard drive This whole thread isn't helping me prepare for Thursday's trip to Brokenhead to record for the www.righttofoodguitarsessions.com. On video. Audio is bad enough, but having to remember to not stick my tongue out will be a challenge that I may find insurmountable... just turn up dressed like The Dude from The Big Lebowski, nobody will care what you sound like coz you'll look so cool
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