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Post by davewhite on Apr 7, 2016 14:36:57 GMT
If somebody has terrible technique, do they have the skills to express themselves? Jonny Well that's me finished then because my technique is really terrible Methinks the Brook player doth protest too much
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Post by ocarolan on Apr 7, 2016 14:45:23 GMT
Well that's me finished then because my technique is really terrible Methinks the Brook player doth protest too much ...he's just babbling.... Keith
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Post by jonnymosco on Apr 7, 2016 15:05:40 GMT
Well that's me finished then because my technique is really terrible but I guess we are talking proper musicians here so it's a good question Jonny Phil What? "...really terrible"? Crazy talk! Jonny
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Post by Martin on Apr 7, 2016 15:17:20 GMT
Methinks the Brook player doth protest too much ...he's just babbling.... Keith Bl**dy H*ll!!
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Post by ocarolan on Apr 7, 2016 15:19:11 GMT
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Post by maninashed on Apr 7, 2016 15:26:36 GMT
Three cowboy chords and a heartbreaking song does if me, over a million notes at 100 mph.
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Post by martinrowe on Apr 7, 2016 16:22:35 GMT
Both simultaneously? Bream over Williams? If somebody has terrible technique, do they have the skills to express themselves? Jonny Just thinking - Punk?
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Post by davewhite on Apr 7, 2016 16:30:24 GMT
Both simultaneously? Bream over Williams? If somebody has terrible technique, do they have the skills to express themselves? Jonny Just thinking - Punk? Les Dawson ?
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Post by andrewjw on Apr 7, 2016 16:48:40 GMT
If somebody has terrible technique, do they have the skills to express themselves? Jonny
Well that's me finished then because my technique is really terrible but I guess we are talking proper musicians here so it's a good question Jonny
Phil
That manflu has gone to your head...
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Post by creamburmese on Apr 7, 2016 18:42:39 GMT
This discussion, I think is especially apt for the classical guitar field - I'm not saying there are a lot of pros who don't have the technique - just the reverse - but it's certainly possible to go to a classical guitar concert and more often than not I wonder when it's going to finish Technical perfection and a poker face seem to be the norm, at least in the concerts I've been to recently. On the other hand at the weekend I went to see this guy and was more than pleasantly surprised to find he gave a fantastic and emotive performance (which was technically excellent) that was enthralling to watch and listen to. For those of you who are interested, he plays antique (Segovia style) guitars and is currently playing without nails, though not the case in this video. So I agree with the opinions the majority have expressed - conveying emotion/musicality is key, providing you have enough technique to carry it off
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Post by jonnymosco on Apr 7, 2016 20:46:49 GMT
Both simultaneously? Bream over Williams? If somebody has terrible technique, do they have the skills to express themselves? Jonny Just thinking - Punk? Anti-music? Just another manifestation of Dada and with regard to the Sex Pistols, highly staged by Malcolm McLaren. Stiff Little Fingers, The Damned et al. were very accomplished and did what they needed to do to get the message across. I think most here though are referring to fingerstyle/classical guitar. To add to the debate, I think that good technique can be defined as what the individual needs to be able to express themselves musically. The acoustic guitar has a massive range of colours and tones, without knowing how to release those through good technique, the player is limited regarding his/her musical vocabulary... which is probably a good way of describing it: you can get your point across if you have a basic understanding in a foreign language, if you are reaching towards fluency, you can create poetry. Going back to the thread title... it is interesting that some great musicians have said that they play on the edge, which often means for them to express their musicality they make mistakes, but don't care as the overall musicality is more important. Jonny
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Post by Andy P on Apr 7, 2016 21:30:54 GMT
Tommy Emmanuel .....lousy musician, Colin Really?? I think he has tremendous musicality. Not only in the way he performs his own tunes, but in his ability to improvise when accompanying another guitarist or singer. I find his natural understanding, interpretation and application of scales quite astonishing at times.
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Post by Andy P on Apr 7, 2016 21:35:02 GMT
Give me a musician playing from the heart, on the edge, over a perfect technician with no soul any day.
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Post by David Hutton on Apr 7, 2016 23:46:35 GMT
Tommy Emmanuel .....lousy musician, Colin Really?? I think he has tremendous musicality. Not only in the way he performs his own tunes, but in his ability to improvise when accompanying another guitarist or singer. I find his natural understanding, interpretation and application of scales quite astonishing at times. Yeap I agree. I also get why people dislike him. He does like to perform, and often clips show him going 1000000 miles an hour as possibly its the the thing that makes him stand out. That said he really can hold a tune and I like him best when with someone that can reign him in a little. I particularly liked him when he played with Chet. On Musical Essence v Technical perfection, I do not think you need either! I am lacking on both but the music I produce, well its a bit special!
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Post by vikingblues on Apr 8, 2016 6:48:23 GMT
Both simultaneously? Bream over Williams? If somebody has terrible technique, do they have the skills to express themselves? Jonny I would agree that some technique is essential. But it's not always easy to quantify / identify bad technique! There's lots of people highly critical (often vitriolic) of Segovias technique and equally a lot of people that find his playing to be very expressive indeed. Who's right? Mark
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