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Post by rob on Apr 10, 2016 8:58:05 GMT
Anyone used one of these mics for recording acoustic guitar, i thought along with my Sunrise pickup i might be able to get a more acoustic sound. I know they are not cheap but do seem a good solution for my application where i do not have a great recording space. Any thoughts appreciated.. Regards Rob
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Post by andyhowell on Apr 10, 2016 10:18:28 GMT
Robbie J has one. They are very good mics and they certainly can be used for recording although I would always prefer a stereo arrangement of more conventional small diaphragm mics. But we are getting into geeky territory here. I suppose it depends what sound you want. Essentially you would be recording the sunrise with more of a mic 'air' about it. But that might be a very nice signal.
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Post by rob on Apr 10, 2016 15:37:13 GMT
Robbie J has one. They are very good mics and they certainly can be used for recording although I would always prefer a stereo arrangement of more conventional small diaphragm mics. But we are getting into geeky territory here. I suppose it depends what sound you want. Essentially you would be recording the sunrise with more of a mic 'air' about it. But that might be a very nice signal. Thanks, another couple of options i was looking at are the t.bone ovid... www.thomann.de/gb/the_tbone_ovid_system_cc_100.htmAnd..... The h clamp. exploraudio.com/categories/instrumounts-h-clamp-/1/I guess the t bone isn't up to the standard of the dpa though.... Just wondering if anyone had any experience of these 2 products? Regards Rob
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Post by Cams on Apr 10, 2016 17:58:24 GMT
I'm with Andy. For recording I'd use small diaphragm condensers. I bought a pair of MXL 603S mics many years ago and they have done me very well. www.thomann.de/gb/mxl_603spr_stereo_set.htmOf course technology will have marched on since then and there is no doubt many other options out there so do your own research, but the MXL 603S pair worked well for me! As with playing live, the preamp is an important part of the equation too. How are you doing your recording?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 18:36:54 GMT
Yes, I’ve got one, but I wouldn’t rely on it solely for recording. I did once do a youtube video just using the dpa, and it wasn’t too bad. But, for the same price as the dpa you can get a stereo pair (e.g. Rode NT5s) and get much nicer stereo sound.
I have however, used the dpa, plus a k&k built in pickup and blended it with a stereo pair to get a really really nice acoustic sound,
Robbie
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Post by rob on Apr 11, 2016 22:32:23 GMT
Thanks all for your thoughts, i do have a few different mics but not a stereo pair. I'm thinking the akg c451 i have, paired with the sunrise pickup may produce a pleasant sound. I have quite a few country tracks to record and looking for consistent results, there are.other instruments recorded on the tracks so this will be an in the mix recording so not really solo. I think i may make a punt for one of the Exploraudio h mic clamps and see how that works out. I'll let you know how it goes. Thanks Rob
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Post by vikingblues on Apr 12, 2016 7:37:22 GMT
Robbie J has one. They are very good mics and they certainly can be used for recording although I would always prefer a stereo arrangement of more conventional small diaphragm mics. But we are getting into geeky territory here. I suppose it depends what sound you want. Essentially you would be recording the sunrise with more of a mic 'air' about it. But that might be a very nice signal. Thanks, another couple of options i was looking at are the t.bone ovid... www.thomann.de/gb/the_tbone_ovid_system_cc_100.htmAnd..... The h clamp. exploraudio.com/categories/instrumounts-h-clamp-/1/I guess the t bone isn't up to the standard of the dpa though.... Just wondering if anyone had any experience of these 2 products? Regards Rob I have tried the H-Clamp. There is the benefit that you can move about while recording. I do find that having to sit / stand stock still to avoid the sound tone varying with a standard microphone recording set-up can dampen down the feeling of the playing - the physical constraint that I am under somehow translates into a constraint in expression. This is particularly the case with improvisation. But the H-Clamp is best with a small diaphragm microphone as there is less weight for the device to cope with and it affects the feel and balance of the guitar less - that was a plus for me because it encouraged me to invest in that type of smaller microphone and I found small diaphragm much better for capturing the subtle nuances of acoustic guitar sound. Where, for me, there is a problem in the H-Clamp is that the length of the bar means that the microphone is closer to the guitar than ideal. So there is a danger of "proximity" effect unless you use an Omni capsule or you have a microphone that is more forgiving at close quarters. There was an optional longer bar that could be purchased but, oddly, demand for that longer bar was not big enough for continued manufacture to be economically justifiable. I did get some decent recordings using an H-Clamp though, and I didn't get any damage to guitars from the attachment. But then I got into the better sound from using two microphones at once (small diaphragm, one cardioid and one omni), so the H-Clamp has fallen into disuse. Mark
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Post by rob on Apr 12, 2016 8:29:00 GMT
I have tried the H-Clamp. There is the benefit that you can move about while recording. I do find that having to sit / stand stock still to avoid the sound tone varying with a standard microphone recording set-up can dampen down the feeling of the playing - the physical constraint that I am under somehow translates into a constraint in expression. This is particularly the case with improvisation. But the H-Clamp is best with a small diaphragm microphone as there is less weight for the device to cope with and it affects the feel and balance of the guitar less - that was a plus for me because it encouraged me to invest in that type of smaller microphone and I found small diaphragm much better for capturing the subtle nuances of acoustic guitar sound. Where, for me, there is a problem in the H-Clamp is that the length of the bar means that the microphone is closer to the guitar than ideal. So there is a danger of "proximity" effect unless you use an Omni capsule or you have a microphone that is more forgiving at close quarters. There was an optional longer bar that could be purchased but, oddly, demand for that longer bar was not big enough for continued manufacture to be economically justifiable. I did get some decent recordings using an H-Clamp though, and I didn't get any damage to guitars from the attachment. But then I got into the better sound from using two microphones at once (small diaphragm, one cardioid and one omni), so the H-Clamp has fallen into disuse. Mark Thanks for your input, i think, in this application most of the acoustic will be buried in the mix so getting a super stereo recording may not be necessary. I guess its possible the h clamp is the sort of thing that may have quite a short honeymoon period....i was just going to post an ad in the classifieds to see if anyone has a clamp for sale but looks like i dont have the 15 required posts. Regards Rob
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Post by leoroberts on Apr 12, 2016 8:42:20 GMT
Don't have the required posts, rob? Pretty sure that's what the word association thread is for
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Post by rob on Apr 12, 2016 8:58:33 GMT
Don't have the required posts, rob ? Pretty sure that's what the word association thread is for Oh o.k. looking
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Post by rob on Apr 12, 2016 10:52:54 GMT
Ok i'm a strummer now so just placed an ad for an h clamp in classified. Rob
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Post by michaelwatts on Apr 12, 2016 14:00:56 GMT
Great mic! I've used one extensively for live work but it's not something I'd use on its own in the studio on guitar. On ukulele however it's absolutely amazing!
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Post by rob on Apr 12, 2016 15:01:54 GMT
Great mic! I've used one extensively for live work but it's not something I'd use on its own in the studio on guitar. On ukulele however it's absolutely amazing! O.k. thanks, i find the akg c451b to be quiet bright and brash to think of better words, i think it may sound great on a uke as you say or perhaps a nylon string guitar. Any suggestions for microphones greatly appreciated. Thanks Rob
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Post by vikingblues on Apr 12, 2016 16:43:14 GMT
I'm thinking if you're in the price bracket of akg c451s then my recommendation would be too down market. But I'll mention it anyway. I've found a pair of Avantone CK-1 microphones to have been an excellent buy. They are small diaphragm and each has three capsules - cardioid, Omni, and something else that I can't recall. I find the combination of cardioid pointing at the neck join and Omni pointing towards the heel of the guitar gives a very effective acoustic guitar sound. Mark
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Post by rob on Apr 15, 2016 19:30:32 GMT
I'm thinking if you're in the price bracket of akg c451s then my recommendation would be too down market. But I'll mention it anyway. I've found a pair of Avantone CK-1 microphones to have been an excellent buy. They are small diaphragm and each has three capsules - cardioid, Omni, and something else that I can't recall. I find the combination of cardioid pointing at the neck join and Omni pointing towards the heel of the guitar gives a very eff ective acoustic guitar sound. Mark Ok thanks, i've been experimenting with the akg c451b and i can't seem to get any decent results with it, i thinks its been moved in every position bar sticking it on the ceiling. The akg just seems too bright and brittle for my taste. So maybe it is time to look at other mics, i have some great preamps.... Regards Rob
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