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Post by creamburmese on Dec 30, 2016 2:41:18 GMT
Hi all I need some advice - I usually visit the UK with my 2009 classical guitar that has Indian rosewood back and sides - however I only just found out that new CITES regulations requiring permits or passports for ALL rosewoods crossing international borders will go into effect January 2 2017. I'm behind the curve on this, and way too late to get a passport for a perfectly legal guitar for my trip next week. Does anyone know if the UK recognizes the personal effects exemption for guitars in CITES II that would allow me to carry it without paperwork? The US does, but I can't figure out the info on the CITES website at all. Otherwise I risk losing it, or could be stuck without a guitar for 2 whole weeks, which is tragic , particularly as I was planning on getting some good guitar time in while on vacation! Incidentally I will be in South Wales if anyone knows of any good guitar - related places to visit... Cheers Julie
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Post by Trevor TAMCO on Dec 30, 2016 8:38:49 GMT
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Post by Trevor TAMCO on Dec 30, 2016 8:39:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 9:17:56 GMT
Things to do whilst here: Well there is the Bristol Spanish Guitar Centre. www.spanish-guitar-bristol.co.uk/You will be near the Forest of Dean, a most beautiful part of the world. You could walk along the River Wye, or even canoe down it, perhaps starting at Symonds Yat Intersound guitar are in Dursely. www.intersoundguitars.co.ukBath is definitely worth a visit, not only for the beautiful architecture, and lovely foodie places, but there is also Vintage and Rare Guitars. vintageandrareguitars.comRobbie
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Post by davewhite on Dec 30, 2016 9:27:06 GMT
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Post by brianr2 on Dec 30, 2016 15:45:39 GMT
The related thread Here. contains a useful link that seems to bear directly on creamburmese's question. In particular, see Para (b) on page 8 of this link"b) Non-commercial exports of a maximum total weight of 10 kg per shipment; (Excluded) This exception allows a person to travel to any country in the world with a finished product containing less than 10 kg of a Rosewood (Dalbergia) or a Bubinga (Guibourtia demeusei, Guibourtia pellegriniana or Guibourtia tessmannii) without a CITES permit, as long as there is no commercial transaction of the product. An example: a musician will be able to travel to any country with his Indian Rosewood guitar without needing a CITES permit, as long as he does not sell the guitar during the trip. It is not a problem if the musician earns money by playing his guitar abroad, as that would not constitute a commercial transaction of the instrument." Brian
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Post by creamburmese on Dec 30, 2016 21:58:04 GMT
Thanks for the info everyone - I believe Brians post describes the "personal effects" exemption- which I know does apply in the US. However the fretboard podcast clearly indicated that not all countries have signed onto the personal effects exemption, which is why I asked if anyone knew whether the UK had signed on. I will see if I can get an answer from the link (thanks!) on Monday. Otherwise current plan is to bring the old dauphin (which is aged plywood coated with rosewood and wouldnt be a total disaster if they felt the need to use it for firewood. However it's a bear to play because of the chunky neck so I'm not looking forward to it!
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Post by creamburmese on Dec 30, 2016 22:00:08 GMT
Also thank you Robbie for the field trip suggestions! Julie
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Post by dreadnought28 on Dec 31, 2016 1:44:12 GMT
Indian Rosewood is going in appendix 2 of the CITES lists. This means that finished articles CAN be carried over a border by private individuals without documentation.
Brazillian Rosewood is already in Appendix 1 and CANNOT be taken over an international border without documentation. This is currently the only Dalbergia species in this appendix and thus situation.
You will have no problem bringing your guitar over here.
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Post by creamburmese on Dec 31, 2016 15:38:57 GMT
Thanks Chris - I know that's what the CITES legislation says for personal exemptions - but per the fretboard podcast not all CITES signatory countries have agreed to implement the personal exemption. I understand that the US and Canada have - as for the UK - no information... I'm going to try to find out on Tuesday, when hopefully some government offices will be open... I have applied for a guitar passport for my Brazilian guitar - who knows if it will be granted or if so, when, but I had assumed (until recently) that I could bring the Indian rosewood one without paperwork. Unfortunately I have 3 guitars, and they are all rosewood!
Julie
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Post by earthbalm on Dec 31, 2016 20:23:58 GMT
Thanks Chris - I know that's what the CITES legislation says for personal exemptions - but per the fretboard podcast not all CITES signatory countries have agreed to implement the personal exemption. I understand that the US and Canada have - as for the UK - no information... I'm going to try to find out on Tuesday, when hopefully some government offices will be open... I have applied for a guitar passport for my Brazilian guitar - who knows if it will be granted or if so, when, but I had assumed (until recently) that I could bring the Indian rosewood one without paperwork. Unfortunately I have 3 guitars, and they are all rosewood! Julie May I ask where in South Wales you will be staying?
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Post by creamburmese on Jan 1, 2017 0:54:23 GMT
Porthcawl. You local?
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Post by earthbalm on Jan 1, 2017 9:47:02 GMT
Just north of Caerphilly. There's not a lot that I'm aware of guitar-wise in the area. Just the usual music stores: Cranes and the Music Station in Swansea, I believe there's a small store in Bridgend, Cardiff has PMT and Gamlins in St Mary Street. @robbiej's suggestions are all good, Bristol also has a larger PMT store and a Hobgoblin store on College Green. There's a considerable amount to see that's not guitar related, it depends on what floats your boat . Hope you enjoy the visit. Happy new year.
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Post by sweyne1 on Jan 1, 2017 10:12:03 GMT
Cadno Music in Llanelli is good. They've got a few Cole Clarks and Martins. Cranes, in Swansea at least, have had a few Lowdens in since September along with the Martins.
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