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Post by PistolPete on Aug 4, 2017 10:02:45 GMT
My ongoing quest for 'real' acoustic sound has reached the point now where I'm edging towards trying miking up on stage.
I wondered if anyone else is miking an acoustic on stage & if so what mic(s) are you using? How is it for feedback & what's it like trying to be heard over a noisy crowd?
Also does anyone know what I type into google to find one of those slightly shorter adjustable boom stands that sound guys use for guitars and snare?
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Post by lavaman on Aug 4, 2017 10:28:56 GMT
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Post by dreadnought28 on Aug 5, 2017 0:57:30 GMT
I've used a Shure SM57 in the past with surprisingly good results.
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Post by andyhowell on Aug 5, 2017 5:58:07 GMT
I sometimes use a Beyerdynamic 930 with good results. This is blended with the pickup using a Headway preamp. I attach this to my vocal mic stand using a simple stand clamp. If you play seated you might find an extension works better. This is basically the top end of a mic stand with a clamp at the bottom which fixes to your mic stand - gives a lot of flexibility.
I use the Beyerdynamic as I have a pair for recording. In the past I have had just as good results from a more humble AKG C1000.
I regularly mic up a friend who play a classical guitar in this way. I prefer to stand when singing and most of time just use a pickup as it is less hassle. Blending in the mic creates a great sound though.
Finally, it is pretty easy to avoid feedback if you are not too noisy. I use mine with a Bose system placed behind me with few problems. A preamp with a notch filter is a pretty good investment though!
Have you thought about using the Fishman Rare Earth blending (or Vandem pickup)? These always sound very good to me.
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Post by Wild Violet on Aug 5, 2017 7:56:40 GMT
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Post by PistolPete on Aug 5, 2017 7:59:50 GMT
Have you thought about using the Fishman Rare Earth blending (or Vandem pickup)? These always sound very good to me. Thought about it, but they won't fit on an archtop.... I have also wondered whether it would be possible to fit a K & K to the back of the soundboard and run the cable out through an F hole, but I'm not up to that level of keyhole fiddliness. There's nothing stopping me putting any of these my second guitar, a 1972 Yamaha FG300, of course, other than a reluctance to drill holes in it for fear of changing the acoustic tone & the fact that while I'm miking up one, I may as well mic up the other.
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Post by PistolPete on Aug 5, 2017 8:19:28 GMT
A friend of mine owns a 'Josephine' we used recently to record a show for a live album. It sounds great, but I was thinking of something potentially a little less delicate for the kind of gigs I play.
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Post by andyhowell on Aug 7, 2017 9:40:06 GMT
A friend of mine owns a 'Josephine' we used recently to record a show for a live album. It sounds great, but I was thinking of something potentially a little less delicate for the kind of gigs I play. I've been trying to find the links to the two stands I use. The basic mic stand clamp will cost about £10: www.dv247.com/microphones/konig-and-meyer-238-microphone-stand-clamp--102458The other arms (which is far more flexible) I can't find at the moment but this is the same idea and principle (just different brand I think) on-stage.com/products/view/11990/117504This is very flexible and can be adjusted to whoever you need it especially when sitting. SaveSave
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Post by gavdav on Aug 7, 2017 11:15:31 GMT
I use a DPA copy from Thomann which is surprising good. The mount does fall off, but I made a securing strap out of velcro which holds it (the mount) in place prefectly. I use it less since I got the rare earth blend, but it's a good back up on other instruments. This: Ovid DPA type copy
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Post by Phil Taylor on Aug 8, 2017 9:38:00 GMT
I don't know anything about mics but Julian Lage and Chris Eldridge seem to use one mic between them with guitars unplugged as seen here:
And as seen here with vocals:
Its quite a distinctive looking mic so you may recognise it.
Hope this helps.
Phil
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Post by ocarolan on Aug 8, 2017 9:39:47 GMT
I have occasionally used an ATM33a small diameter condenser, now out of production, but v similar to the AT8033.
It works well for voice and guitar together if sitting down - one microphone two or three feet away and roughly midway vertically between gob and guitar. Gives a very natural sound and allows at least some freedom of movement. Have done this into PA or AER combo in small village halls with a proper "listening" audience. Wouldn't fancy it in noisy environments though...
Keith
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Post by andyhowell on Aug 8, 2017 10:09:19 GMT
I have occasionally used an ATM33a small diameter condenser, now out of production, but v similar to the AT8033. It works well for voice and guitar together if sitting down - one microphone two or three feet away and roughly midway vertically between gob and guitar. Gives a very natural sound and allows at least some freedom of movement. Have done this into PA or AER combo in small village halls with a proper "listening" audience. Wouldn't fancy it in noisy environments though... Keith I'm seeing a lot of people doing this more and more. Kris Drever and Ian Carr did a whole tour using one mic and then a few weeks later I saw Reg Meuross do the same thing with one. Keith is right about the audience though, they need to have come out to listen to music. I have tried it with a BOSE PA and it sounded really nice so long as I didn't push the volume levels too high. I wouldn't do it as a matter of course though!
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Post by gavdav on Aug 8, 2017 12:36:01 GMT
Its quite a distinctive looking mic so you may recognise it. Looks like an (industry standard) Neumann U87 I wouldn't want to use one live outside of a small room setting like that, but they do sound great.
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Post by PistolPete on Aug 8, 2017 13:29:38 GMT
I use a DPA copy from Thomann which is surprising good. The mount does fall off, but I made a securing strap out of velcro which holds it (the mount) in place prefectly. I use it less since I got the rare earth blend, but it's a good back up on other instruments. This: Ovid DPA type copy
I have one of these, but I have found it's tendency to move mid show to be somewhat frustrating. I'm edging towards a Beta 57A, & thinking that if I combine that with the signal from the AKG contact mics I've been using that should give me a more natural sound whilst working within the limitations of the kind of venues I play.
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Post by gavdav on Aug 8, 2017 15:34:31 GMT
I use a DPA copy from Thomann which is surprising good. The mount does fall off, but I made a securing strap out of velcro which holds it (the mount) in place prefectly. I use it less since I got the rare earth blend, but it's a good back up on other instruments. This: Ovid DPA type copy
I have one of these, but I have found it's tendency to move mid show to be somewhat frustrating. I'm edging towards a Beta 57A, & thinking that if I combine that with the signal from the AKG contact mics I've been using that should give me a more natural sound whilst working within the limitations of the kind of venues I play. I made the couple of velcro fixings out of some fluffy velcro tape and a couple of cable ties for the Ovid and found it stayed put 100%. a bit reluctant to stick velcro to my guitar but it worked fine and didn't leave any marks
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