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Post by andyhowell on Aug 1, 2018 10:24:33 GMT
Here PH discussed he views about fan frets — must say I agree with everything!
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Post by bleatoid on Aug 1, 2018 10:44:35 GMT
Thanks for posting that Andy - good explanation of fan frets for the novice like me who (previously) considered them a bit esoteric.
I'll have to have a try of one when next in a guitar store.
So -did you buy the Kraut.....?
Peter
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Post by davewhite on Aug 1, 2018 11:26:25 GMT
It DOES NOT give better intonation
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Post by andyhowell on Aug 1, 2018 15:00:12 GMT
It DOES NOT give better intonation Are you really sure?
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Post by davewhite on Aug 1, 2018 17:16:02 GMT
It DOES NOT give better intonation Are you really sure? Yes I'm really sure, but just to make REALLY sure perhaps you can explain the mathematics/physics of why it would.
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Post by Phil Taylor on Aug 1, 2018 17:53:32 GMT
Yes I'm really sure, but just to make REALLY sure perhaps you can explain the mathematics/physics of why it would. Only the Taylor V bracing system improves intonation Phil
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Post by davewhite on Aug 1, 2018 18:23:26 GMT
Yes I'm really sure, but just to make REALLY sure perhaps you can explain the mathematics/physics of why it would. Only the Taylor V bracing system improves intonation Phil The bracing system that flicks two fingers at all the others
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Post by Phil Taylor on Aug 1, 2018 18:39:30 GMT
Only the Taylor V bracing system improves intonation Phil The bracing system that flicks two fingers at all the others My tinitus also affects intonation too
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Post by colins on Aug 1, 2018 20:06:07 GMT
Dave is correct, it is no different as far as getting the intonation set up than a parallel fretted guitar. All a fan fret is, is a guitar with six progressively longer scale lengths, so each string will still need to be set up for correct intonation. The 12th fret for each string has still got to be an octave, and the break point on the saddle set for correct intonation at that scale length.
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Post by leoroberts on Aug 1, 2018 21:46:10 GMT
Only the Taylor V bracing system improves intonation Phil LOL!
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Post by scripsit on Aug 1, 2018 23:16:02 GMT
Multi-scale can give the impression of better intonation because the bass strings in a properly intonated (ie deliberately adjusted and set for a particular tuning) lower tuning tend not to flop around as with a conventional scale length where down tuning throws the desirable tension out and makes for occasional misfretted sour notes. Doesn't change the fact that you have to decide to intonate the 'E' string as a 'D' or 'C' or whatever at nut and bridge when you're setting up the guitar. So, he's talking rubbish.
I'm disappointed with Dream Guitars demonstration videos now: firstly PH does the samples and he does not have Al Petteway's touch (or consistency, or use the same tunes on most guitars). More to the point, they have changed their microphone and preamp setup from the original (cheapish) tackle, and, I suspect, they alter positioning and settings to make every guitar sound as good as possible. The end result, after the volume is pumped up, is that every guitar sounds identical, which is hardly conducive to understanding what the different luthiers are trying to achieve.
I know it's a commercial operation, but five years ago or so their demos were a useful and free source of aural information which helped understand how different quality sounds could be achieved by different guitars.
And, as a personal prejudice, why does everything have to look like a Somogyi? I'm so over Florentine cutaways.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 5:01:09 GMT
Yes I'm really sure, but just to make REALLY sure perhaps you can explain the mathematics/physics of why it would. Only the Taylor V bracing system improves intonation Phil Very good Phil 😆
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Post by andyhowell on Aug 2, 2018 8:13:09 GMT
I imagine Dave frothing at the mouth every time intonation is mentioned ;-)
I guess Al Petterway is touring at the moment. He did crop up recently. Or maybe he is now a bit more expensive.
At least they don’t post videos of themselves opening the deliver boxes ...
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Post by andyhowell on Aug 2, 2018 9:08:43 GMT
scripsit, I'm not sure you are really being fair to Dream Guitars even though I like a good rant ! Paul only seems to have four tunes so there is a reasonable amount of consistency there :-) I don't see anything wrong with recording with decent mics. I would be surprised if they altered the position of the mics for every guitar. The positioning of the mics seems reasonable consistent to me and I guess they are arranged at a distance to ensure that there is little proximity effect on the bass. DG seem to be using a mix of a Royer Ribbon and Geffel condensers — the blending of ribbons and condensers is very common in professional recording environments. TNAG also use Geffel mics for their recordings (as does michaelwatts). I'm not at all surprised they want to record these instruments as well as possible. If you listen through decent speakers you do get a feel for the qualities of guitars though, of course, this is no substitute for listening to the things in real life. As for Somogyi I might agree with you although there is no doubt that he has had a great influence on contemporary builders. DG and TNAG are working to build up a market for high end instruments and to that end they are creating the notion of families of luthiers. In a sense they stress a pedigree of builders which I am not sure is helpful myself. Sure there are different styles. There is the school of Canadian luthiers, the East Coast USA makers, the Santa Cruz folks and Somogyi. thos that I ave played from this world can be greta guitars but then there are many others being made across Europe and further afield than that. These are becoming expensive collectables rather like motorbikes and the such. This is not really for me bu some people will ant to collect in this way which is fair enough. Whether the market will last is another matter. But, if you are selling this stuff you will wan to do them as much justice as you can. One Somogyi apprentice I once spoke to as making guitars before he went there as an apprentice. This cost quite a bit of money to do. He reckoned he learnt a lot about voting a guitar. When he left ES he had an order book for two years and his prices reflected that! High end steel strings are still very cheap really, if you compare them to expertly built cellos of violins. As for Paul H — despite his initiation howler — I find him an interesting guy to listen to. His interview on the luthier-to-luthier podcast I found very interesting.
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Post by davewhite on Aug 2, 2018 9:17:24 GMT
I imagine Dave frothing at the mouth every time intonation is mentioned ;-) I demand compensation
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