colins
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Post by colins on Sept 7, 2020 8:42:43 GMT
I believe that once you get to a reasonable gear ratio, it's hard to notice any real world difference between 15:1 and 18:1. As has been said the quality of the nut will make much more difference, and as we are talking Roger, then that is a given. My standard paddle head tuner was the Gotoh 301, though I did tend to make more slot heads with Schertlers.
Classicals, well they usually had Rogers, but that's a whole new story.
We all know though that you will end up with 510s don't we!
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Post by davewhite on Sept 7, 2020 8:54:48 GMT
What are the standard Gotohs on the Falstaff? The picture posted by dreadnought28 is the Falstaff from the website catalogue of "standard" models. Tuners are Gotohs as stated in the bumf, but as far as I can tell in that pic they don't look like 510s to me Chris - the casings in the picture have an angle where the tapering shaft casing joins the main body of the tuner, unlike the 510 smooth curve. In fact they look identical to those on my 2015 Olivia which are deffo not 510s. I suspect they are a variety of these - guitarpartscenter.eu/en_US/p/GOTOH-SG301-20-guitar-tuners-GD%2C3-3/4327Keith They look like SG381's which have the offset screw hole rather than the straight ones on the SG301's - fine tuners and my favourites. If they made 1:4 ratio tuners for guitars like their geared uke and banjo tuners I'd use those.
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Post by andyhowell on Sept 7, 2020 9:03:09 GMT
I think once you pass a certain quality point with tuners the biggest impact on the ease of tuning is how well the nut is cut for your strings. No matter how good the tuners are if the strings are binding in the nut then they’re likely to feel sloppy. Once you pass that quality threshold you’re starting to pay for looks rather than usability.
Gohto 510s and a zero fret. No problems!
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Post by andy3sheds on Sept 7, 2020 22:01:02 GMT
I fitted a set of Gotoh Guhts as they used to be known, over 40 years to a guitar that I still have, with the only tool I had at the time, a Swiss Army knife, the tuners are still fine but I've lost that knife!
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Post by nkforster on Sept 8, 2020 11:43:29 GMT
Over the years I've tried pretty much every tuner out there. Including some of the lovely looking "handmade" ones. Gotoh 510s are without question the best performance-wise. And I've never had a single issue with one. Nigel www.nkforsterguitars.com
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Post by Martin on Sept 8, 2020 13:03:08 GMT
The nicest feeling tuners I’ve used were Gotoh 510 21:1 ratio on a rather lovely Taylor 814 DLX v class. Well, it looked lovely. Pity about the sound.
In practice I prefer open back or vintage Kluson style, but there’s no denying the smoothness and accuracy of 510s.
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Post by dobro on Sept 9, 2020 19:43:17 GMT
The Gothos on my standard Fylde Orsino work perfect. I have never seen any reason to upgrade. Others might...
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Post by dshevy on Sept 9, 2020 20:16:46 GMT
Without doubt Gotoh's are the most reliable and best value against quality. I have used both 510 Delta (21:1) and 510 standard (18:1) as well as the SG301 (also 18:1) and all have been great. The 510 are definitely smoother but all have the right about on 'tension' when tuning. Never too stiff to turn and never too 'loose' feeling either.
Given that you can find even 510's for under £100 they are miles ahead the rest.
IMOH YMMV ect...
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Post by nkforster on Sept 10, 2020 8:52:06 GMT
Thought of another way to put this - You cannot find a better tuner than the 510s. You can find tuners that look fancier or cost more. But from a players point of view, you will not find any with better performance. From a makers point of view, they are also the easiest to worth with - I find Gotoh screw-in bushings far more satisfactory than traditional press-in bushings. Nigel www.nkforsterguitars.com
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