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Post by Onechordtrick on Jul 6, 2021 17:24:33 GMT
I asked because the OM I have (which looks almost identical to yours in your profile photo, same sunburst too) was used by the original owner for 8 years exclusively in DADGAD. I use standard 99.9% of the time and all I needed to do was adjust the truss rod a little and it was perfect. I will now definitely get the 12-51 in the Heritage strings just to be on the safe side!! I very much look forward to trying them. I hope you’ll enjoy. If your guitar is the same as mine (Martin 000-15M) Newtone work well on it and 12-51s worked fine in DADGAD for me so you shouldn’t have a problem for the 0.1% of the time
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Post by surfguy13 on Jul 7, 2021 8:20:59 GMT
I asked because the OM I have (which looks almost identical to yours in your profile photo, same sunburst too) was used by the original owner for 8 years exclusively in DADGAD. I use standard 99.9% of the time and all I needed to do was adjust the truss rod a little and it was perfect. I will now definitely get the 12-51 in the Heritage strings just to be on the safe side!! I very much look forward to trying them. I hope you’ll enjoy. If your guitar is the same as mine (Martin 000-15M) Newtone work well on it and 12-51s worked fine in DADGAD for me so you shouldn’t have a problem for the 0.1% of the time Thank you! I'm sure the Newtones will work well and if not then at least I've tried them and ruled them out. Well, it's probably not even 0.1% of the time!!! I used to use DADGAD a bit but just seem to stick to standard these days. My OM is an Oxwood which is a small US luthier. It's uncanny how similar the sunburst is though. Yours is mahogany so if the Newtones work well on the Martin then I see no reason why they won't on the Oxwood!
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Post by vikingblues on Jul 12, 2021 18:41:34 GMT
Glad my Heritage tension data was of interest. I tried a Newtone DADGAD set a while back. Funnily enough I usually play in DADGAD and my Cedar top / mahogany B&S guitars sound fine with the Heritage tuned to DADGAD, but I didn't like the sounds when I tried out the DADGAD specific strings. That was unexpected! Keep in mind that this could just be my old knackered ears .......... &/or my old knackered brain. Mark
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Post by surfguy13 on Jul 18, 2021 9:51:30 GMT
Glad my Heritage tension data was of interest. I tried a Newtone DADGAD set a while back. Funnily enough I usually play in DADGAD and my Cedar top / mahogany B&S guitars sound fine with the Heritage tuned to DADGAD, but I didn't like the sounds when I tried out the DADGAD specific strings. That was unexpected! Keep in mind that this could just be my old knackered ears .......... &/or my old knackered brain. Mark It certainly was Mark. To be honest this is the first time I have ever considered string tension on an acoustic guitar and yet it seems as if it makes a very considerable difference to feel and playability. Seeing the values for 'standard' strings and then the low tension strings it really is quite remarkable. As someone who has played bass as my first/main instrument for a very long time, string gauge and tension is a real consideration but I had no idea that it also applied to guitars. On a 34" scale bass with relatively heavy gauge strings (65-130) tension is incredibly high and just dropping down to a 50-110 makes a massive difference. When arthritis got the better of me I started playing short scale basses (30" scale) and the reduction in string tension was unreal. Of course it inevitably affected sound, but frankly not as much as I thought it would. The benefits were huge allowing me to set the bass up with a lower action and use a lighter gauge of string (45-95). I have now bought a set of Newtone Heritage 12-51 and a set of Masterclass 12-52, both yet to be fitted as they've just turned up. It's really interesting that DADGAD is the standard Heritage set sounded good and yet not quite so good in the DADGAD specific set. I guess it must differ with each guitar, particularly if they are different woods. I wonder what the difference is between the DADGAD specific set and the standard Heritage strings? I'm sure its not your knackered ears or brain..... .....I know my ears are shot and my brain definitely got compromised back in the 60s, so I might try DADGAD once I've got the Heritage strings fitted and see how it sounds with the lower tension set. My OM has a spruce top so will sound a little different from your cedar/mahogany but as the previous owner had it tuned to DADGAD permanently I reckon it should sound great!
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Post by Onechordtrick on Jul 18, 2021 10:14:36 GMT
I wonder what the difference is between the DADGAD specific set and the standard Heritage strings About 10 pounds You made me wonder so I investigated; below are the gauges and tensions for a DADGAD and a standard set that both have a .020w G string, so as close to being similar as I could find. I think Neil’s approach is to have the same tension as far as possible across the strings DADGAD 013 .017 .020w .027 .036 .059 20 20 21 20 20 20 121 Closest Standard 012 .016 .020w .028 .038 .051 22 22 21 22 22 22 131
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Post by malcolm on Jul 18, 2021 11:55:22 GMT
I use Newtone Heritage 12 - 51 on my Martin 00028k authentic and they work very well for that guitar.
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Post by surfguy13 on Jul 18, 2021 11:56:02 GMT
I wonder what the difference is between the DADGAD specific set and the standard Heritage strings About 10 pounds You made me wonder so I investigated; below are the gauges and tensions for a DADGAD and a standard set that both have a .020w G string, so as close to being similar as I could find. I think Neil’s approach is to have the same tension as far as possible across the strings DADGAD 013 .017 .020w .027 .036 .059 20 20 21 20 20 20 121 Closest Standard 012 .016 .020w .028 .038 .051 22 22 21 22 22 22 131 Brilliant. At the moment I have no concept of what 10lbs would feel like but hopefully, when I get the standard Heritage strings on next week, I'll have a much better idea. What does surprise me is that the 13's in the DADGAD set are the equivalent of a set of 12s in the standard!
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Post by surfguy13 on Jul 18, 2021 11:59:51 GMT
I use Newtone Heritage 12 - 51 on my Martin 00028k authentic and they work very well for that guitar. With the scale length of the OOO the Heritage 12-51s must feel really slinky. Possibly slightly less so on a 25.5" scale on my OM. However, the lower tension sounds like its going to improve feel and that's going be be really nice. Can't wait to try them!
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Post by vikingblues on Jul 19, 2021 9:45:31 GMT
Hope it works out for you and suits your guitars.
Keep in mind the warning on the Heritage string packs.
Do not cut string until secured around the machine head and tuned to pitch.
Mark
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Post by malcolm on Jul 19, 2021 11:51:39 GMT
I use Newtone Heritage 12 - 51 on my Martin 00028k authentic and they work very well for that guitar. With the scale length of the OOO the Heritage 12-51s must feel really slinky. Possibly slightly less so on a 25.5" scale on my OM. However, the lower tension sounds like its going to improve feel and that's going be be really nice. Can't wait to try them! The scale length on my 00028k authentic is 25.5".
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Post by surfguy13 on Jul 21, 2021 6:13:01 GMT
With the scale length of the OOO the Heritage 12-51s must feel really slinky. Possibly slightly less so on a 25.5" scale on my OM. However, the lower tension sounds like its going to improve feel and that's going be be really nice. Can't wait to try them! The scale length on my 00028k authentic is 25.5". I must be getting confused!! For some reason I had always thought a OOO was a short scale but having never owned one that was just an assumption.
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Post by surfguy13 on Jul 21, 2021 9:36:39 GMT
Hope it works out for you and suits your guitars. Keep in mind the warning on the Heritage string packs.Do not cut string until secured around the machine head and tuned to pitch.Mark Thanks Mark. Yes, I will definitely make sure I don't cut the string until it's on and tuned; appreciate the warning!! From what others have said I feel sure that the Heritage strings will work for me and for the guitar. Probably a period of adjustment for me as the E through to G will be slightly narrower than the 12.5" - 55.5" I currently have on the guitar. However, the reduced tension will be really interesting to try and apart from anything else it's great that they are made here in the UK!
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Post by surfguy13 on Jul 31, 2021 12:12:50 GMT
After all the incredibly helpful comments in this thread it became clear that both the Heritage and the Masterclass strings were well worth trying. I bought a set of each and have fitted the Heritage which have been something of a revelation!
I really had no idea what to expect, particularly as I still don't quite understand the concept of low tension strings. My 'normal' gauge over the last 2/3 years has been 12.5 - 55.5 although I had been trying 12-54 in recent months. The Heritage felt almost like electric strings with the high E and B feeling very thin indeed. However, I really do love them now that I have them on the guitar. The lower tension makes the strings a joy to play and although the Heritage sound very different from the D'addario 12-54s I actually think they sound much, much better. The D'addarios and the 12.5 - 55.5 Martins were quite bright and quite full on whereas the Heritage are a little more understated and considerably warmer and I'm finding that I much prefer the warmth, particularly on the unwound strings. Surprisingly the Heritage are far superior through a Trace Elliot TR100. Much more depth than standard tension strings I've always used and the warmth really does come across as a positive. I am able to get a superb sound regardless how I EQ the amp.
I have really bad arthritic lumps on my hands and after a few hours playing the next day I struggle to play at all. With the Heritage strings I don't seem to have that problem at all. They still hurt but nothing like they do with the Dads or Martin strings. I can comfortably bar chords right up the neck without any issues at all and the lower tension allows me to play much more fluidly.
Really huge success and I look forward to trying the Masterclass set and comparing the two. I will not be buying anything other than Newtons in future!
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Post by malcolm on Jul 31, 2021 18:26:49 GMT
After all the incredibly helpful comments in this thread it became clear that both the Heritage and the Masterclass strings were well worth trying. I bought a set of each and have fitted the Heritage which have been something of a revelation! I really had no idea what to expect, particularly as I still don't quite understand the concept of low tension strings. My 'normal' gauge over the last 2/3 years has been 12.5 - 55.5 although I had been trying 12-54 in recent months. The Heritage felt almost like electric strings with the high E and B feeling very thin indeed. However, I really do love them now that I have them on the guitar. The lower tension makes the strings a joy to play and although the Heritage sound very different from the D'addario 12-54s I actually think they sound much, much better. The D'addarios and the 12.5 - 55.5 Martins were quite bright and quite full on whereas the Heritage are a little more understated and considerably warmer and I'm finding that I much prefer the warmth, particularly on the unwound strings. Surprisingly the Heritage are far superior through a Trace Elliot TR100. Much more depth than standard tension strings I've always used and the warmth really does come across as a positive. I am able to get a superb sound regardless how I EQ the amp. I have really bad arthritic lumps on my hands and after a few hours playing the next day I struggle to play at all. With the Heritage strings I don't seem to have that problem at all. They still hurt but nothing like they do with the Dads or Martin strings. I can comfortably bar chords right up the neck without any issues at all and the lower tension allows me to play much more fluidly. Really huge success and I look forward to trying the Masterclass set and comparing the two. I will not be buying anything other than Newtons in future. I'm glad it's working out for you, I generally use Newtone Masterclass 12 - 54 on my other guitars. They are great strings and I like to support a small company if possible.
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Post by surfguy13 on Aug 1, 2021 9:30:24 GMT
After all the incredibly helpful comments in this thread it became clear that both the Heritage and the Masterclass strings were well worth trying. I bought a set of each and have fitted the Heritage which have been something of a revelation! I really had no idea what to expect, particularly as I still don't quite understand the concept of low tension strings. My 'normal' gauge over the last 2/3 years has been 12.5 - 55.5 although I had been trying 12-54 in recent months. The Heritage felt almost like electric strings with the high E and B feeling very thin indeed. However, I really do love them now that I have them on the guitar. The lower tension makes the strings a joy to play and although the Heritage sound very different from the D'addario 12-54s I actually think they sound much, much better. The D'addarios and the 12.5 - 55.5 Martins were quite bright and quite full on whereas the Heritage are a little more understated and considerably warmer and I'm finding that I much prefer the warmth, particularly on the unwound strings. Surprisingly the Heritage are far superior through a Trace Elliot TR100. Much more depth than standard tension strings I've always used and the warmth really does come across as a positive. I am able to get a superb sound regardless how I EQ the amp. I have really bad arthritic lumps on my hands and after a few hours playing the next day I struggle to play at all. With the Heritage strings I don't seem to have that problem at all. They still hurt but nothing like they do with the Dads or Martin strings. I can comfortably bar chords right up the neck without any issues at all and the lower tension allows me to play much more fluidly. Really huge success and I look forward to trying the Masterclass set and comparing the two. I will not be buying anything other than Newtons in future. I'm glad it's working out for you, I generally use Newtone Masterclass 12 - 54 on my other guitars. They are great strings and I like to support a small company if possible. Thanks Malcolm. I agree, it is really good to be able to support UK businesses and in this case particularly as Newtone have such a wide range of really high quality strings. As a bass player I have always bought my strings from Status as they are another UK company that produces high quality basses and strings. Have you tried the Heritage strings yourself? I ask because I'd be interested to know if you found that the Masterclass strings gave you slightly less tension than, say, a standard set of 12-54 strings? I very much look forward to trying them myself but unfortunately will have to wait a bit as I only have one acoustic!
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