Phil Taylor
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Post by Phil Taylor on Feb 19, 2024 20:05:27 GMT
Has anyone since the last thread on this in 2015 got any experience of using these? Do they really reduce pick noise/click/thud whatever you want to call it? Do they produce a sound as good as people say or is it hype/marketing?
Phil
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Post by oustudent on Feb 19, 2024 20:46:53 GMT
Hi Phil, I have four Bluechip's
Can't recall how I ended up with four, trial and error I think, one was half prices from a forum member.
The TAD-1R is my favourite, I have a 40 and a 50 They are the best I have used, just be careful not to lose it/them, I have had a few cold sweats at night when I wake up can't remember where I last used it.
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Post by martinrowe on Feb 20, 2024 12:31:26 GMT
Can't remember if I said this last time but I have three, a 1mm and two 1.5's. I used them for a bit and have no problem picking them up. There is no 'plasticky' sound from them, I interchange between them and the Wegen Mandolin 1.25 which I've been using for a fair while and, at the moment, don't see myself moving away from. Wegen's are warmer to my ears. A while ago I went through my old picks that I've bought and tried them, and they all sound inferior to a Blue Chip and a Wegen - adding together what I've paid for the cheap ones would easily pay for a Blue Chip - that's just aggravating as to my ears the cheap ones are simply no good. You could borrow the Blue Chip's but they have a left handed bevel. I still think of buying a 1.25 Jazz Blue Chip (think that's right) as they seem to be general purpose, but knowing that I'd be pleased after spending that amount of money is still an unknown and stops me taking the leap. For what it's worth I think it's the absence of that plasticky sound that is the reason people like them. I think the marketing works against itself. The fact that all those professionals endorse them gives you the sense that all you have to is to buy one and all your problems will be solved. I think they would be better off selling them by being honest i.e. that they are a good starting point (and the cheap ones stop you from even starting) that and you still have to learn to use a pick i.e. Bluegrass, Strumming, or rest stroke technique. I've heard professionals say that their pick technique is ongoing. I'm wondering if it simply takes years of trial and error. The Blue Chips and Wegen get you on the first rung. Taking a punt on a Wegen is not as expensive and is worth it in my view. I was surprised by this from Sven Jungbeck: Sven JungbeckLooking at it again it's a bit Wegen centric but he does talk about a Dunlop 1.5mm. It's the first 5 minutes - he's good though - no bull or smarminess. He does talk about those Dunlops in another video and does talk about playing them in as they will create a bevel as a result of your own technique. Hope it helps, I've found it a minefield. Enough(and ongoing), other opinions are available
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Post by Wild Violet on Feb 20, 2024 13:33:03 GMT
I have one that I don't use often for fear of losing it. If you are a flatpicking king, you might benefit from the carefully angled edges that help increase speed and accuracy, but I'm not fast or accurate enough to appreciate the angles. I do like it but prefer Papas picks, which I also rarely use out of the house because of how easily they blend in with pub carpets.
I mainly use Dunlop Ultex picks now which seem to have most of the nice qualities of both Blue Chip and Papas picks, but are cheap enough to not cry over if you lose one.
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Post by gsans on Feb 20, 2024 19:51:00 GMT
I've been using a Blue Chip TAD50 (large triangle, 1.25mm, with a rounded bevel) as my go-to for about a year and a half of gigging, and have been really liking the sound/feel. I switched over when Planet Waves/D'Addario discontinued their wide triangle 1.25mm - I liked the sound of those when new, but they wore down quite quickly and quickly got scratchy and thin sounding. Not had that problem with the Blue Chip. One of the big things people online say about Blue Chips is that they last for years and years without wearing, which might be the case if you don't play hard, but as someone who often plays heavily I have noticed some wear in mine over the past 18 months. They're definitely much more resistant to wear than regular plectrums though! I went for the round bevel (which is just like a regular new pick) as it suited my playing much better than the right hand/speed bevel which they offer - and it's wearing down to a natural bevel from my playing now anyway. For single line flatpicking when I don't have to strum much, I prefer my Synth Shell 1.4mm ish. Those are definitely worth a look, handmade in the UK and a little more affordable than Blue Chip, sound and feel great. Really nice plectrums! Synth Shell PicksBright red is a bit harder to lose sight of too!
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Post by forestdweller on Feb 21, 2024 7:23:28 GMT
For single line flatpicking when I don't have to strum much, I prefer my Synth Shell 1.4mm ish. Those are definitely worth a look, handmade in the UK and a little more affordable than Blue Chip, sound and feel great. Really nice plectrums! Synth Shell PicksBright red is a bit harder to lose sight of too! Not come across that name before- they look great. Very similar to Hawk picks, which I really like. The Simon Brady sig model is superb. Robbie
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Post by gsans on Feb 21, 2024 10:47:06 GMT
forestdweller - they're really great! It's a small business, a one-person operation run by a guitar builder called Gary Leddington. Also builds cases. I've not tried the Simon Brady signature as the beveled corner put me off a little - how do you find it? I did try a Tonebird 5 but it was too pointed for me. Just noticed that they do have a custom shop - so may be worth a look there Phil Taylor , as well as Synth Shell, if you have something you'd like to try before forking out for a Blue Chip!
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Post by forestdweller on Feb 23, 2024 15:29:15 GMT
forestdweller - they're really great! It's a small business, a one-person operation run by a guitar builder called Gary Leddington. Also builds cases. I've not tried the Simon Brady signature as the beveled corner put me off a little - how do you find it? I did try a Tonebird 5 but it was too pointed for me. Just noticed that they do have a custom shop - so may be worth a look there Phil Taylor , as well as Synth Shell, if you have something you'd like to try before forking out for a Blue Chip! I haven't owned a Simon Brady sig pick for a while (it broke in my pocket one day) but it was great for mandolin. I loved the three different shaped points. These are my current picks. The Orange Brook one is my favourite- small and quite thick. The Red Bear is great too (and at the time about as expensive as a BLue Chip is now) but the point (or lack of it) means that the tone is extremely thick- like using a humbucker and backing off the treble. Its useless for strumming, but great for slow expressive melodies. I'm with you Gsans, the tonebirds (I think the green and purple ones are 5s) are too bright for me because they are too pointy. For strumming I just use the Dunlop. Picks by Robert Jessep, on Flickr
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Post by Phil Taylor on Feb 23, 2024 19:33:39 GMT
Thanks for all the interesting and informative replies. I currently use Dunlop 500 1.2mm and 1.5mm most of the time which are very cheap but sound reasonable I think. I've also tried a Hawk pick and a Primetone but neither suit me well. I think I will start with a Blue Chip at some point in the next month or so and if that's not the bees knees then at least I know I've tried one and work my way down the list you all have provided. £40 + £2.25 postage here from JP Guitars. link
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Post by delb0y on Feb 23, 2024 22:15:48 GMT
Look forward to hearing your verdict, Phil.
I've always been in the emperor's new clothes camp - but, from the responses, it sounds like they really might be the real deal. I use heavy picks (flat and thumb) and so long as they're the right shape I don't worry about make. Just glanced down and noticed I'm currently using one I bought from Sun Studios in Memphis. :-)
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Post by Phil Taylor on Feb 23, 2024 23:59:08 GMT
Look forward to hearing your verdict, Phil. I've always been in the emperor's new clothes camp - but, from the responses, it sounds like they really might be the real deal. I use heavy picks (flat and thumb) and so long as they're the right shape I don't worry about make. Just glanced down and noticed I'm currently using one I bought from Sun Studios in Memphis. :-) I can't help thinking that if I don't try one I'll be forever wondering if I'm missing out on something.
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Post by dreadnought28 on Feb 24, 2024 2:48:07 GMT
I had one. Liked it a lot. Kept it in a safe place and ………..lost it!
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Post by forestdweller on Feb 24, 2024 8:26:41 GMT
Just been researching Blue Chip plectrums- how is one supposed to know which one to try? The Blue Chip website has scant information about them. Its only from the JP website that I found out what the numbers mean. So much to consider- size, shape, speed bevel (what is that?). Would love to try one but have no idea where to start!
Robbie
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Post by curmudgeon on Feb 24, 2024 12:25:51 GMT
Hi Phil et al, I'm a Bluechip AND a Wegen fanboy.
Somewhere on this forum there are comments from me saying that BCs were a scam. I really did believe that they saw people paying very high prices for guitars- higher than your stock Martins and Gibsons and thought - if these guys will pay that for a guitar - let's make picks that are ten, no, a hundred times more than "normal" picks. Let's see how that works ?
Then .... someone sent me a Bluechip TAD40. "Hmph, well I'll give it a try!" ... "Ouch, I liked it, I mean I really liked it!"
Why? Well previously I had always used Martin "Naturaltone" Nylon and Delrin teardrops. I started with flappy things like .60 and .73 m/m teardrops - probably Dunlops (I think most start with thin picks). I worked up to 1 and 1.2m.m versions as my technique improved. I'd used them for decades - The Martin picks were not bevelled but were properly finished and polished (unlike Dunlop Tortex/Ultex) When Martin discontinued them ( 2000?) I found a source and bought up the entire UK stock. I still have a lot - mostly unused of course.
In 2017/8, whilst recovering from cancer treatments I tried to replicate the qualities of Blue Chips /Wegens by bevelling and polishing many "standard" picks.
Banjo Ben followed the theme showing his method a few months later.
We could (kinda) reproduce the look/finish/bevel, but not the sound, or the longevity.
That first BC pick was/is a TAD40 1r. I only use "R" round tips on mandolin. (TAD50-3r and TAD60 3r)
I now have about a dozen - TAD 40s (for light gauge strings, TAD 50 (mediums) and a TAD 60 (for fun - and rounder bass tones). I also have a about the same number of Wegen TF120/140.
What's the point of having a good guitar, with good strings and a crap pick? I've got a lot of those old things too - I tend not to lose stuff - apart from my TC Unitune at a charity gig last year!
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Post by gsans on Feb 24, 2024 12:39:34 GMT
Just been researching Blue Chip plectrums- how is one supposed to know which one to try? The Blue Chip website has scant information about them. Its only from the JP website that I found out what the numbers mean. So much to consider- size, shape, speed bevel (what is that?). Would love to try one but have no idea where to start! Robbie The speed bevel is a recreation of the natural wear you'd get if you played a plectrum in a lot from new. Right hand bevel - most right-handed people play with the pick slightly angled in a way that eventually wears down the lefthand edge of the plectrum, giving a natural slope on the lefthand edge on the downside of the pick. (Very visible on this primetone for example). [Edit: just seen curmudgeon's informative video which demonstrates this much better than my description!] The round bevel is just like a standard plectrum fresh out of the packet with no wear. Agreed, measuring pick thickness/gauge in thousandths of an inch is a bit confusing! I had this reply from Jon ( jp-guitars.co.uk) when I asked for advice about the bevel options: "I’ve only sold a handful of round bevel ones – the speed bevel version is much the most popular – and indeed the only one we keep in stock. To my ear, the speed bevel is easier to get a good tone – I’d describe it as somewhat brighter, with the rounded one giving a mellower tone. One option if you want to cover most angles is to go for the TAD-1R version – although all corners are speed bevel, one is more rounded. I use a TD50-1R (which is the same shape as the TAD, but a bit smaller) and like to use the rounded corner occasionally for slow accompaniment, tremolos, etc." For what it's worth, I ordered the speed bevel at first, but didn't like the sound as it was a more extreme angle than I like/am used to, so I was getting quite a thin sound. I much prefer the round bevel. (Changing technique is of course an option too, but I didn't do that this time!)
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