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Post by Alan J on Mar 14, 2024 17:37:59 GMT
Hi Folks I am embarking on building my 20th guitar and this is my mood board. Over the coming weeks and months I hope to share with you the ups and down of this beauty in the making. Build details OM Steel String scale length 645mm Back and Sides: Indian Rosewood and Flamed Maple Soundboard: Western Red Cedar with a Florentine Cutaway Neck: Laminated Mahogany with Ziricote Fretboard Length 490mm UB: 290mm, Waist: 240mm, LB:390mm Depth 100mm at Tail, 85mm at Neck Meets both at 12th Fret The guitar is being built for a charity, I will invite you all to buy raffle tickets nearer the time and all money raised from ticket sales will go to a local charity that supports victims of Domestic Violence. Alan
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Post by ocarolan on Mar 14, 2024 18:54:29 GMT
Wonderful ideas - am looking forward to seeing this one being built!
Keith
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Post by Alan J on Mar 15, 2024 16:14:58 GMT
I started with the back. ~I have had this set of Indian Rosewood for a few years now all packed up waiting for a project, it's purple hue is a perfect pairing for the warm Flamed Maple top. Stage 1 - Tap the WoodsA guitar can only ever be as good as the materials you use, when each piece is musical you get the chance to build something quite amazing. If you tap and listen to a board it should sound musical, tone, sustain, depth and colour. If it sounds like a garden fence, then you're most likely going to build a garden fence. The Rosewood panel took my breath away a deep colourful tone that rang for around 5 to 6 seconds, absolutely gorgeous. In fact it stopped me in my tracks as I felt guilty about the next stage, chopping it to pieces, as this board and its pair could have had an amazing life in its own right. The Flamed Maple, in stark contrast was 'OK'. The Rosewood, it planes like butter, the thinest shavings and no resistance. What bliss!. The Maple, not so much!!! This is the first time I have ever built a guitar where the aesthetic appeal trumped the need for good vibrations, I hope I don't regret it! Stage 2 - Cutting, thicknessingI opted for ten stripes in the end thicknessed to 2.8mm. The first hurdle is that the back panel will have to be made to absolutely the correct width, rather than over-building and trimming later as all stripes must appear to be whole and not narrower than the rest. Gulp! Stage 3 - GluingTen strips, nine glue joints, each prone to their own failures. The first step was a jig to change their shape from a rectangle to a segment that would glue together in a 3m radius dish. I did the maths, did it again and again and worked out that over a 500mm length the pieces have to be 0.2mm thinner at the top than the middle. Jig time! all strips got paired up, those pairs got paired again and eventually the whole board came together. Not quite taking the shape of the 3m Dish but not so bad. Stage 4 - BracingI like to use laminated bracing and I want to work towards getting a back plate that vibrates well in harmony with the soundboard. Here I have used Trevor Gore's design for the braces, they have worked well in the past and they look nice. The braces are Western Red Cedar and Spruce centres Stage 5 - ReinforcementsThese glue joints are not structurally great so in order to keep them good I have put 'Savers' in place, each cut to resemble a medieval square head nail. I now have a laser cutter, so rather than printing my labels and gluing them in at the end of a build I can engrave a nice piece of Spruce and use glue that down to reinforce the joints.
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Post by leoroberts on Mar 15, 2024 16:31:56 GMT
This all sounds very complicated, Alan J. It’ll be interesting to hear your views as to whether or not the maple nullifies the rosewood. Looks very striking though - no doubt I’ll buy a ticket 😀
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Post by Alan J on Mar 15, 2024 16:38:42 GMT
This all sounds very complicated, Alan J . It’ll be interesting to hear your views as to whether or not the maple nullifies the rosewood. Looks very striking though - no doubt I’ll buy a ticket 😀 Not as complicated as trying to import pictures into a post, what a palaver, no doubt I am doing something wrong! The Rosewood effect is still there ..... ish. But its had 10 rounds in the ring with Maple and its bruises will take time to heal. hee hee
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Post by leoroberts on Mar 15, 2024 16:46:16 GMT
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Post by Alan J on Mar 21, 2024 14:07:45 GMT
Bending Sides
I want a stripe around the outside of this guitar to mirror the back. I have pondered long and hard as to whether this should be a separate piece of Flamed Maple that sandwiches between the Rosewood, or whether it should be a veneer glued into a groove. I went for the latter. The 1mm deep groove was cut whilst the side panels were still flat. A perfect fit. All that is required now is to keep the maple in place whilst the sides are bent. Thankfully 1mm thick maple bends a lot easier than 2mm thick maple. Bending sides for an acoustic guitar is the equivalent of playing a technical classical piece in front of an audience, you have to get every phrase perfect, each part leads seamlessly onto the next, should you make a mistake fingering bar twenty six then the rest of the piece is pressured beyond belief. One wrong move and the whole ensemble comes crashing down. Bending sides for a Venetian Cutaway is exactly the same except that Slash, Angus Young, and Andres Segovia are on the panel ready to score you! The tight turns required by the cutaway are so steep that the wood just doesn’t want to do it, it will scream, shout and let you know of its dissatisfaction. Thankfully Rosewood is one of the more pliable woods out there and so, within reason it has been willing to play ball. All's well that ends well, but as always ...... Its been emotional!
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Post by ocarolan on Mar 21, 2024 15:26:44 GMT
Looks to have been a very successful next stage. Great pics - looking forward to seeing the box come together.
keith
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Post by Alan J on Mar 22, 2024 6:57:14 GMT
Looks to have been a very successful next stage. Great pics - looking forward to seeing the box come together. keith Absolutely Keith. It’s so much fun putting Stripey together that I find myself waking up like a child on Christmas Day eager to make the next steps. I’m also trying to write a short eBook of the build for the winner. It works out that words worth reading are more difficult to construct than guitars. Hee Hee 😂😆🤣
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Post by Alan J on Mar 23, 2024 11:43:04 GMT
Linings
Somogyi compares a soundboard and guitar sides to a trampoline. That big steel ring framing the trampoline gives a great strength and independence to the springs and mat allowing them to direct all their energy in the right direction. Imagine now that the trampoline perimeter is made of plastic, what would happen to the energy? A less rigid frame would warp, bend and twist, the energy would dissipate away from the trampolinist and into the parts of the trampoline that were of no use them. So if the same is true for a guitar it will benefit from rigid sides to keep the energy in the soundboard, this might allow for more sustain and projection. Take three strips of 1.7mm thick western red cedar, laminated around a former 7mm smaller than the guitar mould all around to make a 5mm thick lining. Make the top linings 19mm tall knowing that the waist on a 9metre radius dish is 2mm high than at the Neck and Tail. Then sand down to 17mm nearer the tail and neck. The bottom linings are very wasteful. The neck and Tail differ in heights by 15mm so the linings have to be 17mm + 15mm = 32mm tall to allow for this. The skill is then removing material on the top and bottom so it fits flush against the sides. I make mine 40mm tall to allow for that wastage. The result, when glued up, is very impressive, the guitar shape has is incredibly rigid. The flex in it is virtually zero compared to standard kerfed linings. This means that the back and soundboard will take no part in keeping the guitar in shape, instead they can feel free to resonate and make beautiful sounds. Lets see.
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Post by Vinny on Mar 23, 2024 15:06:24 GMT
Loving this build. I’ve only seen one striped back before, by David Anthony Reid I think, in Ivor Mairant’s. Thanks.
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Post by Alan J on Mar 23, 2024 16:08:47 GMT
Loving this build. I’ve only seen one striped back before, by David Anthony Reid I think, in Ivor Mairant’s. Thanks. You will see a picture of Reid's guitar in my mood board on the first post. I think DAR's work is quite amazing at an aesthetic level. If they sound even 10% as good as they look then no wonder they sell for so much. Thank you Alan
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Post by Vinny on Mar 23, 2024 18:32:54 GMT
Loving this build. I’ve only seen one striped back before, by David Anthony Reid I think, in Ivor Mairant’s. Thanks. You will see a picture of Reid's guitar in my mood board on the first post. I think DAR's work is quite amazing at an aesthetic level. If they sound even 10% as good as they look then no wonder they sell for so much. Thank you Alan That looks like the one. It sounded great but out of my reach at the time. Spoke to David and he seemed like a very nice guy. I’m enjoying this build thread so thanks, and keep the posts coming please.
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Post by ocarolan on Mar 23, 2024 18:34:19 GMT
As good looking on the inside as outside!
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Post by Alan J on Mar 24, 2024 7:21:01 GMT
As good looking on the inside as outside! keith Sometimes that’s the cruelest thing isn’t it! You put all this emotional energy and work into the inside of a box that you will never see again.
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