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Post by delb0y on Apr 17, 2024 11:54:06 GMT
I don't know what to make of this - it's so damn good that it's scary, and it's only get to get better at an exponential rate. The two tracks below were generated in about ten seconds, lyrics, melody, arrangement, vocals, everything. The prompts are below and AI did the rest. We know we're at the very beginning of the AI journey, but imagine what this will be like in a year, two years, ten years time? Swinging country blues about the Mississippi: suno.com/song/9f78e35c-6e9e-4620-9170-013547724ce4Acoustic blues about a train: suno.com/song/62cade61-a621-4fcc-ad38-145eb3d9f553Derek |
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Post by PistolPete on Apr 17, 2024 17:29:18 GMT
I don't want to come across as a luddite, but I feel like the science fiction of my childhood promised a future where a computer would clean my toilet and iron my shirts so I could spend more time playing songs or painting landscapes or writing great novels, and instead we're getting the future where the computers compose folk songs and make portraits and I still have to mop the bloomin' kitchen.
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Post by delb0y on Apr 18, 2024 16:48:18 GMT
The damn thing plays a pretty mean fiddle / saxophone / slide guitar solo, too. As someone said elsewhere, this is as bad as AI music is ever going to be - it's only going to get better. Already it sings better than me, plays better than me, harmonizes better, arranges better, creates better melodies. The only thing (very) slightly lacking is some of the lyrics.
Thank goodness it can't play live!
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Post by Akquarius on Apr 20, 2024 14:12:19 GMT
I'd say it's got everything except feeling.
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Post by borborygmus on Apr 21, 2024 13:45:16 GMT
Thank goodness it can't play live!  Well, not yet... Peter |
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Post by ukpacker on Apr 24, 2024 11:22:03 GMT
I suppose it seems more disturbing if you believe the programme has created something original, I see it as some kind of statistical amalgam of all the instrumentation and lyrics held on web servers, it works because so much music and blues especially is made up of a string of clichès,but that also makes it rather boring and predictable. It's the bits you don't expect just dropped in among the clichès that make songs interesting,both lyrically and musically but for that to work artistically requires a human editor .
It's assumed that AI will get better at "creativity" but what will happen as it trains more and more on AI created material? Unless this AI generated material carries some meta data which identifies it as such then how will AI programmes know to ignore it when training ?
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Post by Matt Milton on Apr 24, 2024 13:25:04 GMT
There's a lot of holes I could pick, and the defensive part of me wants to pick them (some of the lyrics are pretty clunky, with word duplication instead of rhyme etc, the bar lengths are often wrong, the vocals occasionally sound a bit weird). But ultimately, it is absurdly good in the sense that I would never have guessed that was an AI rather than real singers and musicians. And, as you say, we are still only in the early days of the AI music revolution.
Do I like it? No. But then I don't like the vast majority of mainstream music of any genre. The really scary day will be the one when I hear an AI singing something arty and unexpected, with clever dissonances, unexpected resolves etc. I don't doubt AI is capable of doing that eventually.
On the positive side, I'd like to know more about using AI as a songwriting aid. I'm terrible with lyrics, just can't do them. I try to be too clever and obscure; they come out sounding like some pretentious sub-Dylan/Cohen nonsense. Looking at the lyrics from those AI songs, it strikes me that I could generate a set of lyrics using AI that I could then edit and rewrite into something much better than my own efforts.
Is there an AI lyric writing tool with which you could specify the line lengths/meter and subject? That would be really useful for me.
Interesting thought occurs to me: I wonder if anyone will start to use AI generation to make the music that they then go out and perform at local pubs? i.e. use AI to generate songs performed by a "baritone male with an acoustic guitar singing country", then go out and perform those songs as if you had made them yourself. It would be no different to any other act who's been "not as good live as they are on record"...
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Post by robmc on Apr 24, 2024 15:21:46 GMT
My son uses an AI app for his homework, it basically does it for him... I'm so proud.
Like you Derek, I don't quite know what to make of it, it is both weirdly intriguing and appalling.
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Post by borborygmus on Apr 24, 2024 19:02:10 GMT
Is there an AI lyric writing tool with which you could specify the line lengths/meter and subject? That would be really useful for me. I am sure that ChatGPT et al can do this now... BTW, if you are using LLM chatbots like ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude, etc - it's definitely worth subscribing. The performance of the paid-for version is really very superior to the free stuff. ChatGPT is $20/month (which I write off as a business expense). The image I put in this thread was from DALL·E, an image generator and part of my subscription. The very simple prompt I used was "produce a picture of a humanoid robot playing a Martin D28 acoustic guitar", and a few seconds later, the image appeared. Getting the output you want is all about the prompt you write, and there is some skill in perfecting this (which I don't have). You can start by giving the AI some reference points before you ask for lyrics i.e. "Your name is Bob, you were born in the 1940's in Minnesota, and your influences are Robert Johnson, Hank Williams and Woody Guthrie. Write some lyrics in the folk idiom about the futility of war." Peter |
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Post by Matt Milton on Apr 24, 2024 23:35:53 GMT
I just tried a few of the free lyrics generators and most were terrible. But this one isn't bad:
It was interesting testing it out with the "in the style of" box: I tried Dylan, Woody Guthrie, Leonard Cohen. On each one there was usually an interesting line or two worth having. Definitely fun to play around with. |
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Post by ocarolan on Apr 25, 2024 8:51:44 GMT
Matt Milton - just tried that one - thanks - asking for a song about finding a great old guitar in a pawnshop in the style of Ralph Mc Tell - the result isn't stunning, but is a lot better than I could do! I'll try the same thing in some other "styles"! **Whispers of the Wandering Strings** Oh, the whispers of the wandering strings Called out to me in a pawn shop's hidden wings A guitar weathered by time's gentle hand With a soulful melody waiting to be planned Cherry wood faded by the sun's loving light Satin smooth from the stories of the night Fingers trembling, I touched its ancient fret And heard the echoes of songs not sung yet In the hollow of its body, secrets lay Of the joys and sorrows it witnessed in its day Each scratch and dent telling tales untold Whispering melodies of silver and gold With newfound hope, I cradle it close to my chest And feel the heartbeat of the songs it has blessed Through every chord and strum, a new story unfurls As I become one with the whispers of the wandering strings of the world Oh, the whispers of the wandering strings In that pawn shop, a forgotten treasure sings A guitar reborn in a melody divine A timeless companion, forever mine
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Post by borborygmus on Apr 25, 2024 9:31:06 GMT
ChatGPT, from my prompt "Your name is Bob, you were born in the 1940's in Minnesota, and your influences are Robert Johnson, Hank Williams and Woody Guthrie. Write some lyrics in the folk idiom about the futility of war"
The Shadows of War
(Verse 1)
In the quiet fields of old, where the wheat used to grow,
Now lie the shadows, where the young men no more roam.
They marched away with hearts so bold,
To the drummer's beat, silver and cold.
(Chorus)
Oh, the winds sing low, the winds sing sorrow,
Over lands where only echoes follow.
Tell me what's the gain, or who’s to blame,
When all that’s left is pain, and war’s the game?
(Verse 2)
Underneath the weeping sky, mothers' tears blend with the rain,
Fathers stand in silence, hiding their unspoken pain.
Fields that fed the hungry, now host the crosses, row on row,
Seeds of peace we should sow, but war’s the only seed we know.
(Chorus)
Oh, the winds sing low, the winds sing sorrow,
Over lands where only echoes follow.
Tell me what's the gain, or who’s to blame,
When all that’s left is pain, and war’s the game?
(Bridge)
By the fire’s glow, old tales are told,
Of young lives traded for the promises of old.
Guitars strum the sadness, of every heart that’s torn,
Oh, when will we learn, from all the loves we’ve mourn?
(Verse 3)
From Minnesota’s lakes to shores afar,
Every mother’s child bears an unseen scar.
The world spins madly, yet we tread the same old tracks,
Carrying burdens, never putting down the axe.
(Chorus)
Oh, the winds sing low, the winds sing sorrow,
Over lands where only echoes follow.
Tell me what's the gain, or who’s to blame,
When all that’s left is pain, and war’s the game?
(Outro)
So here’s a simple song, from a heart that’s seen too much,
Prayin’ for a touch of grace, and for the warmth of human touch.
May we find our way, by the light of dawn’s first ray,
Where love reigns supreme, and war fades away.
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Post by Matt Milton on Apr 25, 2024 13:23:42 GMT
Those pawnshop guitar lyrics are probably the best I've seen so far in terms of being coherent. You could quite easily edit that into a viable song.
"Oh the whispers of the wandering strings
from a guitar aged by time's gentle hand
Called out from all the dusty old things
Like a song from some long-forgotten band"
...or something
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Post by martinrowe on Apr 25, 2024 20:55:42 GMT
Hmmn, this could open up a new a new genre of post postmodernist music. What is its error handling like? Does it crash if you ask it for e.g. computer generated AI music created in 1830 on Dartmoor sung in the style of Frederic Chopin from 2048 - or similar. This could be a new game. I'll get my coat  |
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Post by Onechordtrick on Apr 26, 2024 6:06:57 GMT
Hmmn, this could open up a new a new genre of post postmodernist music. What is its error handling like? Does it crash if you ask it for e.g. computer generated AI music created in 1830 on Dartmoor sung in the style of Frederic Chopin from 2048 - or similar. This could be a new game. I'll get my coat I like way you’re thinking |
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