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Post by cesspit on Jul 31, 2024 7:13:44 GMT
A rhetorical question really but one that has hit me quite hard. As an electric guitarist of over 50 years I can play most things (within reason). Arthritis has meant my gigging days are over and acoustic is my direction now. Adapting to the new way has, for me been very difficult. Finger style is something I'd love to do but it is hard to be consistent, yes I know practice is the way but I find I fall back on my old ways and end up with the pick knocking out chords and trying to whizz around the finger board. It is so different. I play acoustic like an electric player and it shows. Oh I'll keep going as I'm a guitar addict, who knows, maybe one day the penny will drop. I have to say some of you guys has posted videos of yourselves playing and I, for one am mightily impressed.
I'm not expecting any answers, just wonder if anyone else is, or has experienced this. Love to hear your tales.
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Post by scorpiodog on Jul 31, 2024 8:46:33 GMT
I have, cesspit, but the other way around. I play acoustic fingerstyle averagely, and I will use a pick for strummage and licks, but I can't play lead for the life of me. Just doesn't gel for me. I also don't like the feel of any solid body guitar I've tried. I do own an Epiphone Emperor Jazz box, but I play it very much the same way I play an acoustic. But, hey, what we call guitar playing is an amazingly broad church. And for me, it's a hobby. So whatever we may do is right. If you want to play lead on an acoustic, that's fine. You may need to get the action dangerously low and put very light gauge strings on it, but go for it. Meanwhile, if it's your goal, carry on trying to learn fingerstyle acoustic, that's great too. But whatever you do, the more a guitar is in your hands the better. By the way, I think you'll get loads of answers, knowing this forum. We love endlessly discussing this kind of stuff.
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Post by stain on Jul 31, 2024 9:09:41 GMT
Get a lesson or two or even more. I waited til I was 47 for my first lesson. And I’m way better for it - not the wait, the lesson!! Jonny Moss on this here forum is the man that has made it happen, although he’ll say it’s all me and he just shows me how to get better. Money well spent. A year of lessons is cheaper than a guitar and will make you a better player more than buying another guitar will. Mike
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Post by juliant on Jul 31, 2024 21:32:11 GMT
A rhetorical question really but one that has hit me quite hard. As an electric guitarist of over 50 years I can play most things (within reason). Arthritis has meant my gigging days are over and acoustic is my direction now. Adapting to the new way has, for me been very difficult. Finger style is something I'd love to do but it is hard to be consistent, yes I know practice is the way but I find I fall back on my old ways and end up with the pick knocking out chords and trying to whizz around the finger board. It is so different. I play acoustic like an electric player and it shows. Oh I'll keep going as I'm a guitar addict, who knows, maybe one day the penny will drop. I have to say some of you guys has posted videos of yourselves playing and I, for one am mightily impressed. I'm not expecting any answers, just wonder if anyone else is, or has experienced this. Love to hear your tales. I'm another one who woukld like to go from acoustic to electric. I've got a Vintage Les Paul, given me by the offspring, and I'd love to play some electric blues, but no nice noises come out of it.
> I play acoustic like an electric player and it shows
My pet hate is electric guitarists playing bass and getting all widdly up to the top end, rather than holding down the bottom as God intended. There are, IMHO, very few bass players who have much business going above about the 7th fret ;-)
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Post by delb0y on Aug 1, 2024 4:35:15 GMT
There are plenty of acoustic guitar players who play lead lines and regular chords on an acoustic guitar. Nothing wrong with this style at all - if you do it on an acoustic then you're an acoustic guitar player! I mean, Clapton did okay with his unplugged album (as did a ton of other rockers). There's Maury Muehleisen who plays all those lovely lines on the Jim Croce records. There's no doubt a ton of others.
And then there's flatpicking... An entire style based on playing lead lines with a flatpick and using the same chords (probably simpler chords) as electric players. You don't even have to like bluegrass, there's enough flatpicking that isn't bluegrass to keep one happy for a lifetime. And such a road soon takes you to gypsy jazz - same thing, plectrum, acoustic, away you go. If you know your way around a guitar neck and are adept at soloing you're already there. You just have to learn a few of the songs.
Fingerstyle itself is indeed something you have to work on, but at a basic level a few simple accompaniment patterns are easy enough, and after that its just adding extra patterns and chord shapes (which you probably know anyway). From how you describe your playing this ought to be straightforward for you. It does get slightly more difficult when you edge into things like Travis picking / Thumbpicking (my world) when a certain amount of picking hand thumb and finger independence is needed (but not really much - I think this is the simplest guitar style there is). Players like Chet Atkins and Eddie Pennington do this on semi-acoustic or acoustics, so again, not really much difference on any guitar. There are, of course, much more complex fingerstyle styles, as demonstrated very impressively by many members here, but you only have to go as far down this track as you wish. I arrived at the Mississippi John Hurt station, got off, and pretty much stayed there :-)
My tale: I played electric in bands from the time I was fifteen through till now (I'm sixty-one), although the band gigs are much rarer now, and tend to be just depping. I only started playing acoustic gigs four or five years ago when I looked into my future and realised that was the direction I wanted to go in (and probably always had). Luckily for me, I had played acoustic guitar my entire guitar playing life (I started with an acoustic). Way back when my friends were listening to Ozzy Osborne and working out Randy Rhoads's solos I was already listening to and attempting to play Stefan Grossman stuff. Its probably why I was never much of a lead player myself, even though I faked it for many years. I recall when I was about eighteen I was going to a college in town, about four miles from home, and I cycled in. I was so determined to figure out how to play that steady / alternating bass beneath a lead line that for a week I cycled home and back at lunchtime just to have about fifteen minutes playing Stefan Grossman's Tickle Dew. By the end of that week (practicing before going to college and when I got home, too) I could do it. But it was another almost forty years before I went out on solo acoustic gigs, and even then that journey started off - and remains - very low key.
Derek
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Post by ocarolan on Aug 1, 2024 8:52:34 GMT
I've had a few attempts to move the opposite way, ie from acoustic playing to electric. I found the "feel" of the instrument way too light and bendy, and after many years of playing relatively high action acoustics I was fretting everything sharp. So I tried progressively heavier strings and blocked the trem, ending up with 12-54. This did feel better but I still found it hard to play smoothly and with predictable volume. So I sold what was a rather nice 1981 JV Strat. Much more recently I had the need to make loads of multitrack recordings and though an electric would add variety. So I got a cheap Tele, which filled the bill for just adding twiddly bits here and there, arpeggios and fills etc - all with a clean sound. Could have done exactly the same parts with an acoustic, so I wasn't actually becoming an electric player, but just using a change of insturment for a slightly different sound. The Tele felt more more "me" than the Strat ever did, and I only had to go to 10-48 to enjoy it. Bit of a longwinded preamble, but to return to the original post by cesspit, the thought occurs that on moving from electric, aspecially with arthritis, it would perhaps be good to try a short scale guitar and make sure the neck feels right and maybe try lighter strings to suit the capability of the hands. It'll never feel the same because the whole dynamics of playing acoustic and electric are different (as I found to my cost), but you should be able to get as comfortable as possible with a bit of experimentation with instruments and strings. But as has been said, it is more or less possible to play any style on any instrument. One of my favourite all-round players is Brian Willoughby - he's spent a great deal of time playing electrics, but when playing acoustic with Cathryn Craig he tends to use very light strings - plain third even. He plays in "acoustic" styles and "electric" styles, often on the same song. The one is mostly beautifully executed standard fingerstyle and this a solo tune So, cesspit, all that probably doesn't help at all, though do experiment and play the things you enjoy - you'll find your niche I'm sure. Good luck. Keith
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Post by cesspit on Aug 1, 2024 9:11:54 GMT
Great responses guy's thank you. Lots of food for thought. I had never considered the move from acoustic to electric, major change in my view and I can see how people have struggled. At present my arthritis is manageable and affects my stamina more than dexterity but I know it will only get worse over the years. In response to people's kind suggestions I use 12s on my Martin and 11s on my Ovation, both have a low action set up. I am a Fender guy so have played Strats and some Teles all my time with the odd Gibson thrown in occasionally. I have had to move from 11s down to 9s over the years and than really is a side effect of arthritis. My aim acoustically would be to play more in the style of James Taylor which seems very relaxed and accompany the voice. Not too ambitious I hope and I do play a lot. Last Sunday when my wife was working I logged over five hours so I'll know it'll come good. So thanks again to all those who have shared their thoughts, suggestions and stories, means a lot folks and if anyone has any electric guitar questions, well, happy to help if I can. Cheers Steve
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Post by curmudgeon on Aug 1, 2024 15:36:01 GMT
Hi Steve, I've met this issue before, and at 76, the Arthritis thing is common ground for me and many of my clients.
You mention James Taylor, who is certainly a fine guitarist, and his method of minimal movement taught me a lot one night at the London Palladium in, I think, 1970. I mainly teach now, and run my own acoustic music club, and I can tell in a heart beat those who play/ed electrics.
Maybe I could help you in a zoom meeting or two? By all means have a look at my playing style on YouTube where I'm known as "Silly Moustache" Regards, Ol' Andy
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Post by NikGnashers on Aug 1, 2024 16:23:02 GMT
I started on acoustic guitars, and tried playing electric. Found myself literally plucking the strings off the body lol .....
I am struggling to understand how an acoustic can be 'easier' to play than an electric though, logic says to me an electric is a thinner neck (so less stretching), and much lighter strings (so easier to fret) ?
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Post by cesspit on Aug 1, 2024 19:13:45 GMT
Andy, thanks. I will you tube when I get the chance.
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Post by Onechordtrick on Aug 2, 2024 4:40:43 GMT
I started on acoustic guitars, and tried playing electric. Found myself literally plucking the strings off the body lol ..... I am struggling to understand how an acoustic can be 'easier' to play than an electric though, logic says to me an electric is a thinner neck (so less stretching), and much lighter strings (so easier to fret) ? In some ways both those features actually make an electric harder to play. I prefer a wider neck and that combined with lighter strings means I often push the top and bottom strings over the edge of the fretboard
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Post by cesspit on Aug 2, 2024 7:18:00 GMT
Something I have found with electrics is I am definitely a Fender guy. Now this may sound silly but I have had several Les Pauls and maybe 3 PRS guitars, and yes, they are fantastic but, and I don't have any other way to describe this, but they feel too easy. The flat radius, 12' I believe, very low action and shorter scale length are very comfortable. Yet I am drawn to the fact that Fenders 'fight back' somehow. It takes more effort to get the best out of them. I'm not experienced enough to notice this with acoustics, well not the ones I've played. My Martin takes everything I throw at it in it's stride so that's a good thing. Does anyone here have a love for acoustics that are a little harder to play or am I just a weird old fool?
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Post by cesspit on Aug 2, 2024 7:31:53 GMT
Andy, 'silly moustache' Just checked out you 'thumb and index finger' video. Interesting and helpful. I like it.
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Post by Onechordtrick on Aug 2, 2024 9:37:09 GMT
I started on acoustic guitars, and tried playing electric. Found myself literally plucking the strings off the body lol ..... I am struggling to understand how an acoustic can be 'easier' to play than an electric though, logic says to me an electric is a thinner neck (so less stretching), and much lighter strings (so easier to fret) ? In some ways both those features actually make an electric harder to play. I prefer a wider neck and that combined with lighter strings means I often push the top and bottom strings over the edge of the fretboard I, of course, meant to say that I find both those features make an electric harder to play But I use my electric as a quiet acoustic with headphones so end up playing it like an acoustic
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Post by PistolPete on Aug 2, 2024 10:26:11 GMT
I'm no great shakes as an electric guitarist, but for my money the key difference in terms of how to think about the instrument is to make peace with your open position chords and the use of open strings. Lots of classic electric riffs are done in the middle of the neck - for acoustic I'd usually think about moving them up a string or two and basing them around an open chord shape.
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