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Post by Mike Floorstand on Sept 20, 2013 22:37:28 GMT
MC is usually seen with a 000-18, or sometimes a Fylde - any idea what this cutaway is?
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Post by ocarolan on Sept 20, 2013 23:00:32 GMT
I reckon it's a PRS, Joe. He's doing a Martin Simpson/Tony McManus! www.prsguitars.com/angelus/Have a look at this other video of a different section of the song - if you use 1080HD and full screen, when the camera zooms in at around 28sec, pause it in various places and you can make out PRS ish sort of scribble on the characteristicly shaped headstock, and the f'board inlays are v PRS. Keith
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Post by Mike Floorstand on Sept 22, 2013 19:25:35 GMT
I reckon it's a PRS, Joe. He's doing a Martin Simpson/Tony McManus! I think you're right Keith, and for some inexplicable reason it has left me feeling slightly gloomy... not that I have a problem with guitarists who like to change their preferred instrument/luthier in pursuit of perfection, but I do admire a player who sticks with the same tool through thick and thin!
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Post by scripsit on Sept 23, 2013 3:10:40 GMT
Might we suspect that the PRS company is paying a considerable sum to several well-known guitarists to publicly demonstrate 'exclusive use of PRS guitars' or something of that order?
I'm sure they're nice guitars, but it's odd that messrs Simpson, McManus and Carthy don't seem to use any of the other high calibre instruments to which they have access in recent performances.
I might be wrong, because I can only follow these people through YouTube and the like.
Kym
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Post by ianlp59 on Sept 23, 2013 14:03:51 GMT
Martin Simpson did tell me a fair while back that Martin Carthy had been pretty blown away by MS's Angelus. So I'm not surprised that he's using one. As far as I know he's not an endorsing artist.
Cheers,
Ian
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Post by andyhowell on Sept 24, 2013 7:32:15 GMT
Might we suspect that the PRS company is paying a considerable sum to several well-known guitarists to publicly demonstrate 'exclusive use of PRS guitars' or something of that order? I'm sure they're nice guitars, but it's odd that messrs Simpson, McManus and Carthy don't seem to use any of the other high calibre instruments to which they have access in recent performances. I might be wrong, because I can only follow these people through YouTube and the like. Kym Endorsements are important to these artists who have to generate their income from wherever they can - all of them are working consistently hard. As for PRS or any endorsement company, you would expect them to deman exclusivity when playing in public. This is one of the reasons I take little interest in which capo/plectrum/strings some artists use. Still, in this case, the PRS is a fine, fine, guitar - maybe not as romantic as a hand made instrument from an individual luthier but just as good sonically!
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Post by scripsit on Sept 24, 2013 8:31:03 GMT
Yep, I'm not having a shot at the musicians. I know how hard it is to make a living from music and don't begrudge them any income source available.
I think I am a little more ambivalent about the PRS company, which seems to make an enormous effort to publicise itself.
The guitars sound great on the studio recordings I have heard by Martin Simpson and Tony McManus, but this surprised me because the reviews when these models came out were not universally positive, even after the absence of a truss rod adjustment issue was sorted. And it's not just romance about small shop luthiers: the price of the PRS signature models is significantly higher than all except a few luthiers offering guitars of similar specification.
Kym
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Post by andyhowell on Sept 24, 2013 13:45:15 GMT
Yep, I'm not having a shot at the musicians. I know how hard it is to make a living from music and don't begrudge them any income source available. I think I am a little more ambivalent about the PRS company, which seems to make an enormous effort to publicise itself. I feel very much the same way Kym but I spent 2.5 days with Simpson at one of his workshops in May and spent a lot of tiem listening to that PRS. Of course, Simpson is a virtuoso and can no doubt coax the best sound out of most things but it did sound superb. He did say to us that this one guitar did everything that he needed it to do. I suppose the issue here is the difference between the signature/private stock models and the basic shop-sold models — they seem to be very different beast indeed. Ultimately, PRS are doing nothing that Martin and Gibson don't do — let alone Lowden and some of the rest. We might like the sound of an expensive, limited edition, Martin but our basic OM or OOO is not going to sound like that. And remember, Carthy has had a martin signature model available for a while though I bet it didn't sell very well! Ultimately, luxurious endorsements at the top end drive sales at the volume end in guitars as in so much else. The Tony McManus Sig model is £7K. If I had a spare £7K hanging around I would be looking elsewhere, but I'm not sure the point of the exercise is to sell these high end models!
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Post by ianlp59 on Sept 24, 2013 15:19:01 GMT
PRS do tend to attract a whole lot of negative comments when the discussion is about the company's acoustic line. Some of the posts on the AGF (the other forum) have contained invective of a fairly extreme nature, some of it quite unpleasant.
I think that PRS make very good acoustics, but I'm talking about the private stock models which get extra attention as well as benefitting from more rigorous wood selection. I've had the opportunity to play quite a few and have yet to play a dud one, although, like all instruments there are subtle differences from guitar to guitar. One of the other areas that PRS have really worked on is the pick up system and the live sound in particular. This is obviously much more important to a professional player and even more so for the likes of Simpson and McManus where the guitar playing aspect of their performance is key.
For my last guitar, I went to Steve Fischer, the man responsible for the original designs for the PRS range. I got Steve to build me a guitar because I was convinced he would come up with a killer instrument - I was not disappointed. But it would be silly to make comparisons with say a PRS Angelus, with which my Fischer Concerto shares clear family traits. My Fischer has no pick up system and lacks the expensive bling that PRS likes to adorn its instruments with. For less money I was able to spec out a custom instrument with a nut and saddle width of my choosing, as well as ultimately owning a completely hand built guitar.
Just a few thoughts - actually I'm trying to up my posts as I find my current profile description as "strummer" somewhat unsettling...
Cheers,
Ian
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Post by ocarolan on Sept 24, 2013 17:14:02 GMT
.......................... Just a few thoughts - actually I'm trying to up my posts as I find my current profile description as "strummer" somewhat unsettling... Cheers, Ian Yup, keep those posts coming Ian - they are always well worth reading! Keith
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Post by Mike Floorstand on Sept 24, 2013 23:25:16 GMT
And remember, Carthy has had a martin signature model available for a while though I bet it didn't sell very well! I have a 000-18MC no 55/84 although I read somewhere there were fewer even than 84 made...I don't think Martin had their order books open for this model for more than a few months in 2003, that was the way they did things. I don't have any axe to grind on PRS in particular or endorsements in general. It's just that Carthy's 000-18 (either the original or the signature edition) has been a fixture of the folk firmament (!) for over forty years and ... I'm sure I'll get over it!! Just had a quick fumble with my 000-18, I keep it tuned to CGCDGA with very heavy strings which means its not terribly versatile and doesn't get much play, especially since I started dabbling in mandolin and tenor banjo. Sounds wonderful at the moment!
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Post by andyhowell on Sept 25, 2013 10:27:36 GMT
I think Ian makes the point well. These are great guitars but given the cash and the choice most of us around here would probably do something similar to Ian!
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Post by kevboyd on Sept 27, 2013 6:00:03 GMT
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Post by ocarolan on Sept 27, 2013 7:14:20 GMT
Hi Kev, and welcome to the Forum. Thanks for the PRS confirmation and extra info. Excellent website! Maybe sometime you'd like to introduce yourself in the relevant section and maybe tell us a little about your musical interests etc. Hope you'll enjoy it here. Keith
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Post by Martin on Sept 30, 2013 14:53:03 GMT
to the forum kevboydSorry it's been a bit quiet but many of us are just back from our annual forum gathering in Halifax. Thanks for the information on Martin Carthy's guitar, and I hope you get the chance to stick around here for a while and take part.
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