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Post by leoroberts on Oct 17, 2014 12:21:18 GMT
Very distinctive, colins... lovely sound from the guitar. Loved your vocals, too (I should try and copy your vocal style)
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Post by colins on Oct 17, 2014 12:29:52 GMT
Very distinctive, colins... lovely sound from the guitar. Loved your vocals, too (I should try and copy your vocal style) I've got a good face for radio as well! Colin
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Post by ocarolan on Oct 17, 2014 13:23:21 GMT
Lovely sounds. I suspect my eventual competition entry might have a very similar lyric to these tracks .... Keith
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Post by Wild Violet on Oct 17, 2014 17:03:56 GMT
That's some mighty fine playing.
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Post by earwighoney on Oct 17, 2014 21:12:52 GMT
Great playing Colin. The guitar in both the clips sound fantastic. Clear and punchy. NEVER apologise for Freight Train, Elizabeth Cotten is a legend! I love the open midrange of ladder braced guitars. They also crop up on Selmer D/O hole's - I believe they are up there with the greatest ever guitar designs. Also, did you see this? www.acousticsoundboard.co.uk/thread/3585/1888-torres
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Post by colins on Oct 17, 2014 22:04:02 GMT
No I hadn't seen that. Do you know if the auction house has had the guitar authenticated by Jose Romanillos? Nice to hear some Tarrega,I've always a great lover of his. Here's me playing the same piece on my own FE19 tornavoz 'Torres' (built the same year, 1864, as Tarrega's FE17, which of course was Torres own personal guitar before he gave it to Tarrega). I did record a CD of Tarrega pieces if any one would like one. app.box.com/s/0nnmheagv6spp6wppcai Maria Colin
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Post by ocarolan on Oct 17, 2014 22:40:54 GMT
A delight, was that Colin - thanks for posting. Keith
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Post by colins on Oct 18, 2014 10:32:39 GMT
I've seen many to say the Torres guitar design is exceptional and it's why it's been so revered for the century and more since it's inception (a similar thing with the Santos Hernandez design in flamenco guitars). I don't know much about the differences between designs and bracing patterns of classical guitars guitars. Of course when Torres was building guitars there was no such thing as Classical guitar or Flamenco guitar, just guitars. The more expensive instruments made from rosewoods and more solidly constructed usually went to the the more 'serious' players, and evolved into the classical guitar. The cheaply made instruments using local woods, cypress, pine, were bought by the 'folk' players, due to their less solid construction and more basic bracing they gave a less sonorous sound, these evolved into the flamenco guitar. It is a case where economics gave rise to a music style, the sound of the flamenco guitar today was dictated by the affordability of instruments and is the sound of a cheap 19th century guitar. Colin
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Post by arthurp on Oct 19, 2014 8:19:27 GMT
I just loved the Tarega Colin. I am working on 'Adelita' right now and was just beginning to think I was getting somewhere. If only!
I also wanted to say to say just how much I. Am enjoying watching the build process of this guitar. For someone like me who is a real novice, it is fascinating and ISO instructive. Thanks so much.
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Post by colins on Oct 19, 2014 9:36:21 GMT
I just loved the Tarega Colin. I am working on 'Adelita' right now and was just beginning to think I was getting somewhere. If only! I also wanted to say to say just how much I. Am enjoying watching the build process of this guitar. For someone like me who is a real novice, it is fascinating and ISO instructive. Thanks so much. Tarrega is all about passion, Adelita is a reasonably simple piece, so great technique will not bring out the best of it as it would with say a Bach fugue, so it's all about imagining the warm Andalusian sun on your back and going with the flow of the music. Here's my version of Adelita: app.box.com/s/jwx2lfq6rpr2utu68l3jColin
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Post by Wild Violet on Oct 19, 2014 10:28:15 GMT
Good Lord. That is stunningly beautiful.
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Post by earwighoney on Oct 19, 2014 10:43:51 GMT
Of course when Torres was building guitars there was no such thing as Classical guitar or Flamenco guitar, just guitars. The more expensive instruments made from rosewoods and more solidly constructed usually went to the the more 'serious' players, and evolved into the classical guitar. The cheaply made instruments using local woods, cypress, pine, were bought by the 'folk' players, due to their less solid construction and more basic bracing they gave a less sonorous sound, these evolved into the flamenco guitar. It is a case where economics gave rise to a music style, the sound of the flamenco guitar today was dictated by the affordability of instruments and is the sound of a cheap 19th century guitar. Colin I think I read it was around the time of WW1 that the price of importing wood from South America in particular rosewood drove builders to find alternatives for their 'lesser' instruments to leave rosewood for the more 'serious' player. After the separation between the two, they've never really met again. I'm struggling to think of many builders (maybe aside from Antonio Marin Montero) who are as regarded for their flamencos as they are their classicals, and I think it's partly down to flamenco is actually a pretty local musical phenomenon largely contained to Andalucia, Spain. A good point about economics being pivotal in the development of the model, I think it's been a factor for guitars in the 20th Century, Leo Fender doing so with in the electric side of things. I remember reading a point in your 'Meet the Makers' post, that you don't really make that many instruments from rosewoods. I always presumed rosewoods were the favourite choices for builders in particular in the classical guitar side of things. Also, you mentioned Cuban Mahogany is your favourite choice of b/s for steel strings, would it be possible to ask why that is? It's a tonewood I've heard nothing but praise for but never had a chance to play an instrument made from it. Another geeky question, is there much difference between plantation and old growth Cuban? One last geeky question, I saw you made a Cypress steel string for Dave White, how did the Cypress work out for steel strings? As I have a toe in the flamenco side of things, I've questioned how it would work for a steel string.
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Post by colins on Oct 19, 2014 11:01:00 GMT
There was difficulty at WW1 in getting South American rosewoods into Europe, but they were mainly replaced by the Asian rosewoods. The main driver towards the use of local woods, particularly cypress was purely economic in mid 19th century Spain, and it is this that led to the predominance, until quite recently, with Cypress as the Flamenco B&S wood.
I don't make many steel string guitars from rosewoods, but do use it extensively for classicals, mainly EIR but also Madagascan. I also make a number of classicals with maple and also with cypress B&S. In fact Dave's guitar wasn't a steel string but a classical using cypress, but built as a classical not a flamenco. Probably the best classical I have ever made, was a cypress bodied one fitted with a brass tornavoz using the original bracing that Torres used in his tornavoz guitars. My own personal guitar for Tarrega and the other 19th century Spanish composers was a tornavoz fitted Madagascan rosewood FE19.
Cuban mahogany seems to be mahogany on steroids, it has a slight tendency towards the rosewood spectrum, while retaining the clean sound of mahogany. I have only ever built with old growth Cuban, so I have no knowledge of the plantation wood.
Colin
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Post by arthurp on Oct 19, 2014 11:02:04 GMT
.[/quote]Tarrega is all about passion, Adelita is a reasonably simple piece, so great technique will not bring out the best of it as it would with say a Bach fugue, so it's all about imagining the warm Andalusian sun on your back and going with the flow of the music. Here's my version of Adelita: app.box.com/s/jwx2lfq6rpr2utu68l3jColin [/quote][brElixir Nanoweb PB 11-52 I am just sat in the garden with the warm Essex sun on my back, drinking a cup of tea and enjoying your Adelita Colin. I hear what you are saying about interpretation. You seem to give the notes space to breathe where I am on a bit of an obstacle course and breathe a sigh of relief when I get to the end. Food for thought. Thanks Colin.
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Post by Akquarius on Oct 19, 2014 19:08:10 GMT
Colin, may I say that this is a First Class recording! More of this, please!
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