R the F
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Post by R the F on Jul 18, 2016 14:11:29 GMT
Do I see a backlash building?! I like a good backlash. Perhaps we could have an anonymous poll...
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Post by andyhowell on Jul 18, 2016 20:05:29 GMT
Michael has sent me a phot of me playing it which I shall post. In use it doesn't look so weird. But that sound ....
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Post by andyhowell on Jul 18, 2016 20:06:59 GMT
It frees up the soundboard at the upper bout. Gary Southwell uses a floating neck/fretboard on his classical model A's. Ask scorpiodog how the jumbo he has sounds with the floating neck extension.... I get that. But isn't there a whacking great tone bar underneath to top near the neck which stops vibration? I understood (probably wrongly) that this is why cutaways don't really do anything. SaveSave |
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Post by francis on Jul 18, 2016 22:16:47 GMT
andyhowell What you have to consider Andy is that when a string vibrates whilst it stretches to a small extent it effectively changes length so the top doesn't just vibrate up and down there is a longitudinal element as well so the upper tone bar/brace move in sympathy with those motions. Also some makers cut arches in the upper tone bar allowing other braces to pass under taking their contributions into that upper bout area. Then there's side flexing too adding additional motions. The whole soundbox is dynamic.
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Post by andyhowell on Jul 19, 2016 6:05:58 GMT
Thanks Francis.
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R the F
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Post by R the F on Jul 19, 2016 7:02:49 GMT
Although, andyhowell , as I understand it, some prominent guitar-makers don't quite see what the upper tone/transverse bar/brace - the "whacking great tone bar" - is meant to do: "As science has been applied to the guitars structure, some weak and vulnerable areas of the design have become apparent. The usual top brace above the soundhole supports the string tension in much the same way as an acrobats weight is supported in the crucifix position, or when doing the splits resting on two chairs, not stable or strong, and asking for trouble. Arranging the bracing in two angled legs compares to the firm stable stance taken by a weight lifter, or to the engineering design of bridges and trestles. Together with support on the underside of the fingerboard tongue, this helps transfer string tension to wider areas and to the guitar sides rather than to the edges of the soundhole." Roger Bucknall. (See more here) In other words, I think, he prefers a /\ bracing pattern to a horizontal bar. I wouldn't really like to comment one way or another. |
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Post by vikingblues on Jul 19, 2016 7:25:02 GMT
Interesting looking guitar with a striking appearance - certainly a different look to the usual and more modern than traditional. But as a player you don't see much of a guitar when you're playing it and if the sound and comfort factors are so high I would find myself much less concerned about looks in any case. I often end up after a session of testing out guitars having very little recollection of the appearance of the guitars I liked - even down to not remembering basics like if they had a scratchplate, or what sort of headstock it had. Beyond a dislike for finishes where you can't see the wood grain and an even stronger dislike for vivid colours appearance for me is low on the priority list. The sound on the Casimi website videos and on a few YouTube videos I've just watched are very impressive .... regarding TNAG videos can Michael Watts sound anything less than impressive whatever the guitar?! I do like that magic trick that attaches to some guitars where it feels a much smaller guitar than it actually is - so often the reverse is disappointingly the case. If you find a guitar that is really comfortable to play and it's one that makes the music flow it can be so immersive and I can see how you might not be paying much attention to the type of sound in an analytical way. You just enjoy the music making and go with the flow. Andy - I don't know how you, or anyone, can take the risk of playing a guitar at this price level!  I'd hate to run the risk of finding a perfect guitar only to know I could not afford it. You mention a haunting feeling at the back of your head - with what you describe the knowledge of what it felt like would certainly haunt me! Mark |
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Post by andyhowell on Jul 19, 2016 7:51:39 GMT
Interesting comments Mark. I guess you could only take a punt if you could afford it in the first place. Or if you were a collector. We've talked about this before, but I suspect a lot of the design stuff is aimed at collectors. If I'd have had the cash I wouldn't have blinked with the Casimi. Music certainly flowed.
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Post by missclarktree on Jul 20, 2016 15:47:43 GMT
There's a Youtube video of Derek Gripper playing a classical and a flamenco. They do sound fantastic, although I can't tell whether the sound has been processed in any way. For that price, though, I'd expect to be able to live in them.
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Post by scottish0177 on Jul 27, 2016 19:45:17 GMT
Apologise for jumping in here. I have just recently joined the forum and came across this thread. I am the very proud owner of a Casimi C2 Signature guitar, having only taken delivery of it a week ago. It's my guitar so of course I'm going to gush over it, but in all honesty even if it wasn't mine I would still be blown away with the craftsmanship put into these.they are simply stunning pieces of work which sound phenomenal. Pictures and photos don't do these guitars justice and a lot of thought has obviously gone into them,some not immediately apparent. I was a bit worried about the size of the guitar and from photos I had seen they looked fairly substantial instruments.i needn't have worried,I have never played a guitar that sits so comfortably in my lap or that has felt so right to hold.it may be the belly and arm bevels which contribute to this but if it is then I would be loath to go back to a guitar without them....they really do make a difference and in the Casimis case are so well executed you don't really notice them at all.. Realise a bit of gushing going on here so I will stop.....have included some photos |
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Post by vikingblues on Jul 27, 2016 19:48:20 GMT
Very visually arresting those Casimi guitars.  A larger guitar that still sits comfortably is worth finding! Mark |
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Post by scottish0177 on Jul 27, 2016 21:35:27 GMT
Hi Mark...it really is a guitar that disappears when you hold and play it....I've had a Taylor dreadnought size guitar since 2002 that was my main player,and even after all that time it used to bug me that I did notice it on my right arm from time to time with the telltale lines visible under right bicep ,tricep from playing longer sessions....... First guitar I've had with bevels and really impressed..... If you are ever up Aberdeen way then drop me a line and you can give her a try out..... |
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R the F
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Post by R the F on Jul 28, 2016 7:35:41 GMT
I have to say I'm not keen on furniture (or guitar) design where the wood is made to look like moulded plastic with not a sharp angle in sight BUT I have a suspicion that the care taken inside the guitar to make sure there is no roughness and that everything flows into everthing else might well contribute the the quality of the sound it produces. I have no idea why that might be.
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Post by scottish0177 on Jul 28, 2016 9:50:03 GMT
Hi, I did come across a brief article about why they build the way they do, but have hunted high and low for it and can't find it....will. Keep looking but I believe there is a sonic reason as to why they build the way they do.If I remember rightly it helped in the recording of the instrument especially  ....don't ask me why,,and I think this was in relation to studio recording...although could be completely wrong and imagining it all.anyway can't fault the sound produced and the guys at Casimi obviously have a particular way of voicing their instruments. Thought I would include a pic to compare sizes. Attachments:
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Post by vikingblues on Jul 28, 2016 19:41:21 GMT
Hi Mark...it really is a guitar that disappears when you hold and play it....I've had a Taylor dreadnought size guitar since 2002 that was my main player,and even after all that time it used to bug me that I did notice it on my right arm from time to time with the telltale lines visible under right bicep ,tricep from playing longer sessions....... First guitar I've had with bevels and really impressed..... If you are ever up Aberdeen way then drop me a line and you can give her a try out..... I've said some words on the comfort and dreadnought issue on your thread "Introducing Myself". Thanks for that kind offer, and you never know! But I'm reluctant to even try any guitar that's out of my price range - I'd hate to know that there's a great guitar out there that's perfect for me but I can't have it .... it might make me very unhappy with my existing collection! But my numbers might come up!  Mark |
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I'd hate to run the risk of finding a perfect guitar only to know I could not afford it. You mention a haunting feeling at the back of your head - with what you describe the knowledge of what it felt like would certainly haunt me!
....don't ask me why,,and I think this was in relation to studio recording...although could be completely wrong and imagining it all.anyway can't fault the sound produced and the guys at Casimi obviously have a particular way of voicing their instruments.
Jo whoever he is.
