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Post by curmudgeon on Dec 3, 2018 11:19:21 GMT
Dunno about you folks, but I use YouTube a lot for many and various things, not least for my YouTube channel (Silly Moustache) but to watch/listen to a lot of music and stff about gardening (I'm an allotmenteer) and about history, philology and a couple of channels which show short Science fiction movies.
There is this "thing" that you should know about and perhaps spread the word.
Check these videos out (while you can!)
and this is my simplistic take on it :
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Post by curmudgeon on Dec 3, 2018 11:57:58 GMT
For Info, this is what I have sent to my MEPs for the South East today : Re: Article 13 (and 11 &b 12a) I live in West Sussex. I am a retired professional , and lecturer, and also an amateur musician. I contribute to many online fora and seek to disseminate my music and also provide help and assistance to people worldwide via my modest Youtube channel. My Channel is not "monetised" so I have no financial interest, but there are many British/European people who do. Like many of my correspondents , especially in Europe and the USA, I am very concerned about the implications of these Articles. Whilst I understand the concept of limiting unfair use of copyright and intellectual property, these articles in their current state could inflict a great deal of damage on the creative and academic communities. This will make it virtually impossible for people inside and outside of the EU to post music and other videos - consider the implications on Arts related, historical and geographic channels. This could also cripple the dissemination of information on Wikipedia, and many other sites. The EU will become a figure of hatred and information suppression world wide. Do we want the EU to be seen as a centre for censorship of news, the arts and digital media? I request and respectfully urge you all to investigate these articles and demand that they are reworded to enable the information, advice and entertainment functions on the internet to continue. Here are some brief videos explaining the situation :
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Post by Phil Taylor on Dec 3, 2018 14:56:06 GMT
For Info, this is what I have sent to my MEPs for the South East today : Re: Article 13 (and 11 &b 12a) I live in West Sussex. I am a retired professional , and lecturer, and also an amateur musician. I contribute to many online fora and seek to disseminate my music and also provide help and assistance to people worldwide via my modest Youtube channel. My Channel is not "monetised" so I have no financial interest, but there are many British/European people who do. Like many of my correspondents , especially in Europe and the USA, I am very concerned about the implications of these Articles. Whilst I understand the concept of limiting unfair use of copyright and intellectual property, these articles in their current state could inflict a great deal of damage on the creative and academic communities. This will make it virtually impossible for people inside and outside of the EU to post music and other videos - consider the implications on Arts related, historical and geographic channels. This could also cripple the dissemination of information on Wikipedia, and many other sites. The EU will become a figure of hatred and information suppression world wide. Do we want the EU to be seen as a centre for censorship of news, the arts and digital media? I request and respectfully urge you all to investigate these articles and demand that they are reworded to enable the information, advice and entertainment functions on the internet to continue. Here are some brief videos explaining the situation :
The EU a figure of hatred? Surely not Don't the people sitting in the EU commission realise that that they may lose their seats in the next election as a result? Oh hang on a bit... Seriously though this could impact on a lot of people like us and is a bit concerning but from what I understand it won't affect us in the UK after 29th March 2018 will it Andy? Phil
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Post by andyhowell on Dec 3, 2018 17:01:27 GMT
I am very skeptic about this. A google search on the subject throws up lots of posts on this - almost all from YouTube.
That’s not to say there isn’t an issue or even a problem but ...
... All of my videos are in the main of original content - I might be moved to ensure I put my Creative Commons license on every post and effectively not relying on YouTube license.
Where I use other material it will be royalty free and public domain stuff such as loops and effects that are distributed for free use.
In an age where streaming platforms simply don’t share their profits with creators I’m not so worried.
I’ve checked out comments from U.K. creative industries organisations and can’t see much reaction.
What may happen is the rights holders might introduce new licenses to cover material. They won’t be free but why should they be?
You Tube are kicking up one hell of a storm and why should we be surprised. We seem to have businesses created on the back of using other people’s created content.
I’ve had music and photographs used by others without permission. When I’ve checked it was because of the default license conditions issued by You Tube and Flickr. I soon learnt not to use the defaults.
I once had a company email and tell me they were using a lot my photos. I checked then out and they were producing online travel guides to cities and they were using Flickr content which allowed people to use the stuff simply with notification.
I’ve had music used for background in a video, another piece used as a demonstration of technique and some photos used in photography training sites.
There may be issues but You Tubes main gripe is that it will have to police content or rather recognise that it is indeed a publisher.
YouTube is of course a Google company and they have real form here - not least objecting to increased taxation as Eric Schmidt (CEO) had it - Google prefers to choose how it invests its money, ie they don’t like tax.
It’s always best to take EU bashing with a big pinch of salt.
Finally, the U.K. Creative Industries Federation has a lot to say in Europe - how to prepare for Brexit and related problems but little on this ‘problem’. I suggest this is because they are there to support and promote the creative industries and not rip them off.
Phew. Sorry for the rant. There may of course be issues. But as a content creator I’m not worried one iota.
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Post by PistolPete on Dec 3, 2018 20:45:21 GMT
As with anything there's two sides to this. From what I understand the organisations who look after musician's rights are generally in favour of it.
PRS was tweeting it's opposition to YouTube's stance the other day:
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Post by curmudgeon on Dec 4, 2018 17:06:08 GMT
For Info, this is what I have sent to my MEPs for the South East today : Re: Article 13 (and 11 &b 12a) I live in West Sussex. I am a retired professional , and lecturer, and also an amateur musician. I contribute to many online fora and seek to disseminate my music and also provide help and assistance to people worldwide via my modest Youtube channel. My Channel is not "monetised" so I have no financial interest, but there are many British/European people who do. Like many of my correspondents , especially in Europe and the USA, I am very concerned about the implications of these Articles. Whilst I understand the concept of limiting unfair use of copyright and intellectual property, these articles in their current state could inflict a great deal of damage on the creative and academic communities. This will make it virtually impossible for people inside and outside of the EU to post music and other videos - consider the implications on Arts related, historical and geographic channels. This could also cripple the dissemination of information on Wikipedia, and many other sites. The EU will become a figure of hatred and information suppression world wide. Do we want the EU to be seen as a centre for censorship of news, the arts and digital media? I request and respectfully urge you all to investigate these articles and demand that they are reworded to enable the information, advice and entertainment functions on the internet to continue. Here are some brief videos explaining the situation :
The EU a figure of hatred? Surely not Don't the people sitting in the EU commission realise that that they may lose their seats in the next election as a result? Oh hang on a bit... Seriously though this could impact on a lot of people like us and is a bit concerning but from what I understand it won't affect us in the UK after 29th March 2018 will it Andy? Phil
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Post by curmudgeon on Dec 4, 2018 17:10:51 GMT
Dec 3, 2018 14:56:06 GMT Phil Taylor said: The EU a figure of hatred? Surely not Don't the people sitting in the EU commission realise that that they may lose their seats in the next election as a result? Oh hang on a bit... Seriously though this could impact on a lot of people like us and is a bit concerning but from what I understand it won't affect us in the UK after 29th March 2018 will it Andy? Phil Hi Phil, no my concern is not out of "EU hatred" (I'm a remainer) and I'm told that it WILL effect us Brits whether we leave or not as the deed will be done prior to 29.3.19. Andy
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Post by NikGnashers on Dec 8, 2018 17:00:20 GMT
I'm very confused about this. Am I right in thinking, that anyone 'outside' the EU won't be affected, and as such, after brexit it won't matter to us ?
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Post by andyhowell on Dec 10, 2018 8:02:13 GMT
I'm very confused about this. Am I right in thinking, that anyone 'outside' the EU won't be affected, and as such, after brexit it won't matter to us ? You are right. This is just about Europe br maybe not in the way we think. This issue has been a concern for media creators and the creative industries for a while. The British government has had consultations on it, select committees have taken evidence on the issue. The U.K. government note. Similar consultations have happened all over Europe and the decision - quite sensibly in my view - has been taken to deal with this at a European level. Of course, Google haven’t engaged, haven’t had open consultations, published green papers or committed themselves to transparent decision making. Anyone concerned about U.K. sovereignty should take a moment to consider Google’s internal policies !
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Post by dangad on Dec 10, 2018 9:30:38 GMT
There's so much of this issue I can't quite wrap my head around.... There's a lot of content on Youtube that obviously isn't contributing to the appropriate licensing/copyright/Royalties and I'm always in favour of supporting artists in that respect. With so much multi-million viewed content I just can't see how one persons acoustic guitar version of another artists tune is a target for this type of legislation (although technically there's an issue I guess).
I also can't see how the EU can force Youtube to take this action on... What's the threat? Do a china style Youtube ban?
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Post by Phil Taylor on Dec 10, 2018 10:18:37 GMT
There's so much of this issue I can't quite wrap my head around.... There's a lot of content on Youtube that obviously isn't contributing to the appropriate licensing/copyright/Royalties and I'm always in favour of supporting artists in that respect. With so much multi-million viewed content I just can't see how one persons acoustic guitar version of another artists tune is a target for this type of legislation (although technically there's an issue I guess). I also can't see how the EU can force Youtube to take this action on... What's the threat? Do a china style Youtube ban? From what I understand at the moment is that YouTube and possibly other similar platforms won't even try to take action as the EU want they will just pull the plug on EU countries meaning no more YouTube for us if we remain. See my other thread with video. linkPhil
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Post by dangad on Dec 10, 2018 12:31:21 GMT
Thanks for this Phil... find it highly unlikely that they will pull the plug on the EU but I've signed the petition regardless!
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Post by PistolPete on Dec 10, 2018 12:36:32 GMT
From what I understand at the moment is that YouTube and possibly other similar platforms won't even try to take action as the EU want they will just pull the plug on EU countries meaning no more YouTube for us if we remain. See my other thread with video. linkPhil But that's YouTube throwing its toys out of the pram and saying it will block the site rather than comply. Article 13 is only requiring it to police copyright infringement (which it already does, to some extent). Newspaper publishers can be held to account for what they put out - why shouldn't digital platforms be held to the same standards?
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Post by Phil Taylor on Dec 10, 2018 15:28:12 GMT
From what I understand at the moment is that YouTube and possibly other similar platforms won't even try to take action as the EU want they will just pull the plug on EU countries meaning no more YouTube for us if we remain. See my other thread with video. linkPhil But that's YouTube throwing its toys out of the pram and saying it will block the site rather than comply. Article 13 is only requiring it to police copyright infringement (which it already does, to some extent). Newspaper publishers can be held to account for what they put out - why shouldn't digital platforms be held to the same standards? It may well be Pete and I agree but the problem is, and I appreciate it's YouTube's problem, I've heard that 400 hours of material is uploaded to YouTube every minute. If that's true then they have a big problem and dumping the EU may be financially a more attractive option. It's a much bigger problem than the newspapers have. Phil
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Post by hughesy on Dec 11, 2018 8:56:04 GMT
It seems very unlikely YouTube would pull the plug on the whole of the EU. Besides, there are other video sharing websites available.....
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