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Post by mandovark on Sept 20, 2014 13:14:25 GMT
2 - definitely my favourite. Nice mellow sound and a kind of natural reverb that made the melody line sound very fluid. Good low end on the strummy bit.
3 - lots of nice overtones and a similar kind of mellow sound, but for me the trebles were just a little less appealing.
1 - my least favourite of the three, at least for this piece. For me, it was a little too bright and sparkly. I did like the sound on the strummed part.
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Post by pjld86 on Sept 20, 2014 13:29:33 GMT
My order of preference is 2, 3, 1.
I imagine that 2 is a smaller bodied guitar...but we shall see!
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Post by Akquarius on Sept 20, 2014 13:40:42 GMT
To make it a bit more interesting before introducing the guitars, for those of you that have done the ranking how much more would you pay for an instrument with the preferred tone of your first choice versus your second choice? Which tone, Dave ? The tone I hear while playing or the tone which is audible to those who sit in front of the guitar ? However, I'm with Keith here. The tone, though it certainly is one important aspect, is still only one aspect among others. I don't think I'm able to answer that question
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Post by brianr2 on Sept 20, 2014 13:48:54 GMT
To make it a bit more interesting before introducing the guitars, for those of you that have done the ranking how much more would you pay for an instrument with the preferred tone of your first choice versus your second choice? Interesting question. I wouldn't pay anything for a guitar that did not please me, in terms of tone, ergonomics and appearance. Among the many lessons in life that I wished I had learned sooner is that if you buy cheap, you generally end up buying twice. Playing the guitar is now my principal hobby/obsession. I spend time every day trying to torture the strings into submission. The hourly rate of this entertainment reduces to very little indeed over the life of a guitar and/or player and is certainly much less than most others. Equally, spending extra in the first place has an almost negligible marginal effect on the average (that was my argument to my Comptroller General when I bought my Fylde and I'm sticking to it!). This said, the sky is not the limit and the law of diminishing returns applies to guitars, as it does to most things. And try as we might, few of us can convince our CGs that a guitar is anything more than a discretionary, luxury purchase. While I can't put a specific figures to them, I find with all purchases that there are psychological financial ceilings beyond which I could not persuade myself, let alone CG, to go.
This long-winded reply to the original short question reduces to: I would pay as much as I could afford to get what I really wanted, rather than risk being put off playing by a cheaper compromise instrument that wasn't right for me. Life is short and opportunities for pleasure should not be missed. There are no pockets in shrouds while, all being well, there will be opportunities to continue plucking strings in the afterlife... Brian
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Post by Akquarius on Sept 20, 2014 14:02:02 GMT
There are no pockets in shrouds while, all being well, there will be opportunities to continue plucking strings in the afterlife... Brian
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Post by davewhite on Sept 20, 2014 14:33:22 GMT
I think you are right and so let's park my question on "price per tone" Tomorrow I'll show the pictures
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Post by Phil Taylor on Sept 20, 2014 14:39:50 GMT
My order is:
Track 2 Track 3 Track 1
Track 1 is the best IMO because I hear the bass as more rounded and the trebles thicker. I cant really split differentiate between 2 and 3 both having quite a thinner sound but I feel 3 shades it on the last couple of seconds - only because there is a slight sitar effect and is probably just a very slight 'misfingering'.
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Post by davewhite on Sept 20, 2014 15:47:45 GMT
My order is: Track 2 Track 3 Track 1 Track 1 is the best IMO because I hear the bass as more rounded and the trebles thicker. I cant really split differentiate between 2 and 3 both having quite a thinner sound but I feel 3 shades it on the last couple of seconds - only because there is a slight sitar effect and is probably just a very slight 'misfingering'. Phil Phil, Is that in reverse order? Your explanation seems to imply 1 first, 3 second and 2 third.
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Post by Phil Taylor on Sept 20, 2014 16:03:21 GMT
My order is: Track 2 Track 3 Track 1 Track 1 is the best IMO because I hear the bass as more rounded and the trebles thicker. I cant really split differentiate between 2 and 3 both having quite a thinner sound but I feel 3 shades it on the last couple of seconds - only because there is a slight sitar effect and is probably just a very slight 'misfingering'. Phil Phil, Is that in reverse order? Your explanation seems to imply 1 first, 3 second and 2 third. What a wally Should be: My order is: Track 2 Track 3 Track 1 Track 2 is the best IMO because I hear the bass as more rounded and the trebles thicker. I cant really differentiate between 1 and 3 both having quite a thinner sound but I feel 3 shades it on the last couple of seconds - only because there is a slight sitar effect and is probably just a very slight 'misfingering'. Phil ps just watching James Daubney on your website - really like that guitar, it's a beauty
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Post by creamburmese on Sept 20, 2014 19:32:50 GMT
Great challenge! I liked all 3 but for different reasons... for #1 I thought the individually plucked strings were the most resonant and had the most harmonics, but the strummy bits were a bit more mixed up probably for the same reason. #2 the individual notes had less extraneous stuff going on and held it together better during the strums - also had a nice mellow base notes. #3 to me seemed to be half way between 1 and 3.... Can I have one of each please?
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Post by jonnymosco on Sept 20, 2014 19:40:58 GMT
For my first choice I'd probably pay c.£400 more than for my second choice (and that's the truth)... actually in total I'd probably sell a Lowden and a couple of others for my first choice. If it were my ideal guitar (inspiring every time I touched it and even when I didn't) I wouldn't be able to put a value on it.
Jonny
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Post by michaelm on Sept 20, 2014 19:49:48 GMT
2 - because it sounded "better" (to my ears) than 1. 3 - not quite as "nice" as 2, but "nicer" than 1. 1 - outshone by 2 and 3.
And that's about as close as I get to articulating sounds! Leo probably put it better (o.k. Leo did put it better).
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Post by Banadog on Sept 20, 2014 21:21:17 GMT
I'd imagine 2 is the most expensive, and would sound a a lot better when your actually playing it. I think Number one is not so popular because its a smaller guitar but it sounds balanced. Number three is inbetween
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Post by scotch on Sept 20, 2014 22:01:58 GMT
Basically the same as everyone else.
2 - The bass sound more prominent than the others. Think its a bigger body. 3 - It was the most balanced and sounded more cleared. 1 - I presume it's a small bodied guitar.
I always prefer bigger bodies.
Price wise can't give exact number but in ratios would be this
2 £1,000 3 £700 1 £300
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Post by vikingblues on Sept 21, 2014 9:51:40 GMT
Interesting thread - good one! Late response form me, but I've been away. My thoughts of the order did change from first listening to after I'd had a fair number of listens to each. The effect of immediate appeal v more careful evaluation. Track 2 does seem to me to be the most pleasing, not in a "wow that sounds great way", but in am assured good tone way, with balance and clarity. The best sounding guitar long term is not always the most immediately exciting to the ear in a way. I had more difficulty sorting track 1 & 3. While liking the sound of notes on track 1 there is a sort of "buzziness" (not fret buzz, but just in the way the notes sound) that I noticed with repeated listens that ends up making track 3 the last choice. So 2,3, then 1 - feel like I'm jumping on a bandwagon given what I now see in other posts. This choice of mine is mostly based on impressions on the slower based, fewer notes picked sections. Much less between them to choose from for me in the faster more strummed part where the gap between tracks 2 & 3 is much less, but track 1 stays last. The question about difference in price and how much to pay for preferred sound is tricky. Partly depends what price levels we're talking - £400 difference in guitars near £3k is pretty minor but around £800 is major. Of course it's an even trickier decision to make in real life as I've just found, but more of that later on another thread at some point. Also tricky is that point raised by Keith - how the guitar sounds is important, but there is also how the guitar plays. If it sounds better and is easier to play too, I'll be prepared to pay much more for that guitar. But if a guitar sounds better but is more difficult to play ..... at what point does the extra ease of playing make the lesser quality of sound the better option. That question baffles me and I'm currently wondering whether I've maybe just made an expensive mistakes as a result. Mark
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