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Post by scorpiodog on Mar 14, 2018 10:49:08 GMT
You may know that I run a little monthly thing we call "I Can't Believe It's Not A Folk Club" with tonywoods. We were asked to be part of a fundraising initiative by a local charity, Diverse Abilities. They are holding events in Dorset throughout March. They call it "Sing To Raise". Any road up, we are going to try to raise the profile of the event by using Facebook Live. You see, the problem we have is that our venue, The Oddfellows Arms in Wimborne is the smallest pub in Dorset. We can get maybe 35 people in but that's only if people sit on other peoples' shoulders. Therefore, the fundraising potential of a normal I Can't Believe It's Not A Folk Club is very limited. So I have a couple of things I'd like to run by this green-hued hive mind we call a forum. First of all, does anybody who has run a Facebook Live streaming have any advice they can give me, please? In particular, I'd like to know whether just a phone is enough, or should we muck about with external mics etc? I realise a tripod is essential, and that's in hand. We are also thinking we'll run two Facebook Lives at the same time, so if there's any problems on one feed we'll have the other. I don't even know whether that can be done. But any advice, observations, limitations etc would be gratefully received. The other thing (and I realise this is a damned cheek) is that it will be on Monday 19th March and will start at 8:00pm. If any of you feel so inclined and are not doing anything more important, please would you tune in. We'd like to get as much coverage as possible. We'd also like to maximise the donations. Here's the link to the I Can't Believe It's Not A Folk Club facebook event. We've called it "I Can't Believe We're Trying This" which catchy little title is a bit strange I know, but if you have a look at the I Can't Believe It's Not A Folk Club facebook page you will see that it's just the way we do things there! And please feel free to like I Can't Believe It's Not A Folk Club, and to share the event far and wide!
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Post by stringdriventhing on Mar 14, 2018 11:05:15 GMT
We've done it quite a lot, or had it done to us. Most recently here: www.facebook.com/VibrantMusselburgh/A phone or iPad with tripod works ok, but I expect you'd get better results with an external microphone. Don't know about running two at once - you could always experiment with a "secret group" to see if it works or not. Also be wary of background noise! I'll try to tune in on Monday
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Post by scorpiodog on Mar 14, 2018 11:08:31 GMT
Thanks, Gordon. I must confess, it was watching one of your gigs on Facebook Live that made me even attempt this.
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Post by stringdriventhing on Mar 14, 2018 11:14:18 GMT
Thanks, Gordon. I must confess, it was watching one of your gigs on Facebook Live that made me even attempt this. It's a bit hit or miss in the place we usually play with the background noise issue, but we've had some not bad results. It's quite nice, because it allows far-flung friends of the band to join us. We always forget to look at the comments though (because we're playing) so it's not very interactive. Good idea using it for a fundraiser!
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Post by leoroberts on Mar 14, 2018 11:39:38 GMT
If you stream one live from the 'I Can't Believe...' page, and another through your personal page and provide links to both on both pages you should be ok. Shouldn't you? Well, I don't know. But maybe you would be. Or not.
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Post by Martin on Mar 14, 2018 12:22:31 GMT
Paul, I've not done it before, but going by what I have watched, including your own experimental efforts I think it'll work really well. I'll be tuning in on Monday
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Post by andyhowell on Mar 14, 2018 15:23:01 GMT
Cams did this yesterday but using a public domain alternative. It took him a while to get it going but it worked OK. I remain to be convinced really but it could be fun. I would say you need a decent camera and the ability to run your PA output into the computer which is streaming. There seems little [oint in doing this if it is going to look and sound crap. An alternative might be to approach a local FE college and suggest this as a project for students. By that I mean recording an event rather than putting it out live, though you might find somebody whizz enough to do it! Two live streams might be a good idea as you are only as good as the internet connection at the venue! That I guess could be your biggest problem.
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Post by ocarolan on Mar 14, 2018 15:29:18 GMT
Was just wondering about the copyright implications for non-public domain material. Obviously the venue is responsible for this on an ordinary night, but is it different if the songs are live-streamed and remain viewable for some while afterwards? Is there a copyright implication in respect of F/B too? Keith
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Post by andyhowell on Mar 14, 2018 15:33:02 GMT
Was just wondering about the copyright implications for non-public domain material. Obviously the venue is responsible for this on an ordinary night, but is it different if the songs are live-streamed and remain viewable for some while afterwards? Is there a copyright implication in respect of F/B too? Keith I'm pretty sure Facebook is PRS registered. If not You Tube certainly is. The public domain ones almost certainly won't! SaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSaveSave
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Post by ocarolan on Mar 14, 2018 15:45:45 GMT
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Post by stringdriventhing on Mar 14, 2018 15:57:02 GMT
Was just wondering about the copyright implications for non-public domain material. Obviously the venue is responsible for this on an ordinary night, but is it different if the songs are live-streamed and remain viewable for some while afterwards? Is there a copyright implication in respect of F/B too? Keith I try not to think about that... hopefully FB will get the jail
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Post by scorpiodog on Mar 14, 2018 16:06:03 GMT
Cams did this yesterday but using a public domain alternative. It took him a while to get it going but it worked OK. I remain to be convinced really but it could be fun. I would say you need a decent camera and the ability to run your PA output into the computer which is streaming. There seems little [oint in doing this if it is going to look and sound crap. An alternative might be to approach a local FE college and suggest this as a project for students. By that I mean recording an event rather than putting it out live, though you might find somebody whizz enough to do it! Two live streams might be a good idea as you are only as good as the internet connection at the venue! That I guess could be your biggest problem. All good stuff, Andy. But this is Monday coming we're talking about. I don't have time to try anything like this. But I will give it serious thought in the future. Our local university has a media faculty. I will look into it.
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Post by scorpiodog on Mar 14, 2018 16:07:08 GMT
Was just wondering about the copyright implications for non-public domain material. Obviously the venue is responsible for this on an ordinary night, but is it different if the songs are live-streamed and remain viewable for some while afterwards? Is there a copyright implication in respect of F/B too? Keith Good point, of course, Keith. I hadn't thought of it. I guess I'll just have to take the risk.
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Post by andyhowell on Mar 14, 2018 16:28:52 GMT
With regards to PRS — shouldn't this just be in the club or pub's return as usual?
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Post by ocarolan on Mar 14, 2018 17:46:17 GMT
With regards to PRS — shouldn't this just be in the club or pub's return as usual? As I said earlier, it should be, Andy. But my question was as to whether the situation is more complicated when the material is broadcast/uploaded to F/B. A cursory read of the F/B link I posted earlier would suggest that it may well be. It is probably up to the copyright holders to claim if they feel aggrieved, so anything bad is probably unlikely to happen! Keith
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