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Post by jangarrack on Feb 2, 2019 9:24:49 GMT
I came across this in an idle but inquisitive moment and thought it may be of interest.  .... by the way, I'm not thinking of getting one. |
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Post by ocarolan on Feb 2, 2019 10:05:16 GMT
I don't think Hiscox make a suitable case. Not that you could carry it anywhere in public anyway!
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Post by Onechordtrick on Feb 2, 2019 10:41:02 GMT
I came across this in an idle but inquisitive moment and thought it may be of interest. .... by the way, I'm not thinking of getting one. No you’d probably want the tenor version 😱 that’s a bit shrill  |
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Post by Onechordtrick on Feb 2, 2019 10:46:48 GMT
I don't think Hiscox make a suitable case. Not that you could carry it anywhere in public anyway! Keith I don’t know I see plenty of opportunity for some slapstick ladder moments |
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Post by vikingblues on Feb 2, 2019 10:52:50 GMT
I don't think Hiscox make a suitable case. Not that you could carry it anywhere in public anyway! Keith Not surprising she gets complaints on the Tube!
I was thinking that tuning the far peghead would need a particularly long arm, but I see it's just about reachable if you stand up, put the instrument vertical and then reach a fair bit upwards. What a lot of stretching on that width of strings and neck - ouch!
Fascinating to hear the back story on its evolution.
Some very good sounds from it too!
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Post by colins on Feb 2, 2019 10:57:29 GMT
I have played one in a lute consort and with an early music consort, just a beefed up harp lute really. They were often used as continuo in a baroque consort instead of the harpsichord. Never had the space to make one! A decent gut string set would set you back over £300.
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Post by brianr2 on Feb 2, 2019 21:34:30 GMT
I have played one in a lute consort and with an early music consort, just a beefed up harp lute really. They were often used as continuo in a baroque consort instead of the harpsichord. Never had the space to make one! A decent gut string set would set you back over £300.
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app.box.com/s/ykopbrohj0as5txclqqo7xyxjsquz0qg Fascinating. Love the sound. A couple of questions: Howwere the strings originally made? Is there an other than decorative reason why members fo the lute family have pierced rather than open soundholes? How does this affect sound transmission? Beian |
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Post by davewhite on Feb 3, 2019 13:01:22 GMT
Is there an other than decorative reason why members fo the lute family have pierced rather than open soundholes? The term "Rosette" derives from the Rose Windows in cathedrals and this is what lute and baroque instrument soundholes are based on - many done as three dimensional layers:  |
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Post by brianr2 on Feb 3, 2019 14:58:46 GMT
Is there an other than decorative reason why members fo the lute family have pierced rather than open soundholes? The term "Rosette" derives from the Rose Windows in cathedrals and this is what lute and baroque instrument soundholes are based on - many done as three dimensional layers: Does this mean that, strictly, lutes have (ornate) rosettes and guitars have (plain) soundholes? Brian |
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Post by davewhite on Feb 3, 2019 15:45:03 GMT
Does this mean that, strictly, lutes have (ornate) rosettes and guitars have (plain) soundholes? Early guitars like this Stradavarius in the Ashmolean Museum, Oxford have "Rosettes" like lutes and it also has an outside decoration like a modern guitar rosette:   I suspect that with the age of mass production of guitars the open soundhole with outer rosette decoration was a natural choice. |
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Post by colins on Feb 3, 2019 15:50:50 GMT
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Post by colins on Feb 3, 2019 15:52:51 GMT
Not quite as simple as that Brian, yes lutes always have a rose carved directly into the top, though some have had the rose replaced with a separate inserted one as the rose can be easily damaged. Baroque guitars often had a three dimensional parchment rose, as Dave said, something like these.    Though as Dave said some Baroque guitars did use the lute style carved rosette. Lutes have a much thinner top, ladder braced of course, and are a lower energy system, so don't move as much air as a modern guitar. However I think the main driving force to using a plain open soundhole was the amount of time it took to create the rose, either carved or 3D parchment, this made instruments expensive and only available to the wealthy or the full time musician. The growth in playing in the 18th century necessitated a cheaper instrument, so the open soundhole became more prevalent. Because these were the cheaper instruments and not so well made they did not tend to survive with only the top end ones lasting to today. This is the same reason we tend to think of the old instrument makers as being so good, only the best ones have survived. It's my opinion that the greatest makers are those around today. Colin |
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Post by walkingdecay on Feb 6, 2019 17:52:09 GMT
Reminded me that we need a new extendable window cleaning thingy.
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