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Post by davewhite on Apr 11, 2015 21:19:40 GMT
Cheers for the link and the advice, although I ain't paying nobody to drill some 'oles  Ream grasshopper, ream  |
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Post by Martin on Apr 21, 2015 18:33:36 GMT
I have reamed. I have since been reamed  What was a long and nervous job turned out just fine. I had bought some round needle files to help with any excess wood in the middle after reaming both sides, and after some trial and error, this worked fine, allowing me to get a good tight fit for the new tuner. Trouble is, I didn't bother to either measure the tuner or the peghead thickness, and as a result, the tuning post doesn't extend far enough beyond the headstock. Is this workable, or should I get other longer tuners? Attachment DeletedAttachment DeletedAttachment Deleted |
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Post by Martin on Apr 22, 2015 19:21:22 GMT
Right. I have gone ahead and reamed all four peghead holes and fitted the tuners. In my enthusiasm to get a decent length of post showing, and due to my enormous strength, I have managed to burst one of the threads It is holding ATM, so I'll leave it in place, but it might mean getting different tuners at some stage. Now for the tricky part, and if anyone has any suggestions, I'd be glad of them! The 5th string tuner has a very tight hex nut type fitting, and I can't for the life of me get it out. I've tried taking it apart and pulling the shaft (steady!!), reassembling it and wiggling it, hitting it gently with a hammer....I can't get it even slightly loose in the wood of the neck. Attachment DeletedAttachment DeletedAttachment Deleted |
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Post by Mike Floorstand on Apr 22, 2015 22:10:28 GMT
Glad the reaming worked, it's a slow job but very satisfying when it works! I would never have thought to measure the headstock depth either, not sure if there is a fix for that other than at some point to get another set of tuners. Looks like you might just be able to get a string wrap below and a couple above the shaft hole for now though? Hopefully even the burst thread is manageable as long as you don't try to tinker with it any more... Removing the 5th peg is completely uncharted territory as far as I'm concerned. There is some advice here www.frets.com/FretsPages/Luthier/Technique/Banjo/Gear5thPeg/gear5th.html if you haven't already found it? |
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Post by davewhite on Apr 23, 2015 7:54:59 GMT
Martin, Looking at your photos I think getting the fifth string tuner out may be the least of your problems - getting a new one fitted might be a major task. Does the hex nut turn with a spanner ? it may be that the hex nut is part of the tuner case and the whole of the tuner is screwed into a threaded hole in the neck (a bit like the Highlander end pins are). If so then you wold screw it out but the hole left behind looks as though it will be too big for a modern geared fifth string tuner and will need a wooden plug fitted and the new tuner hole drilled and reamed out. As for the main tuners you will need to check the specs of different brands and find ones that fit. These are the Gotoh specs:  |
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Post by Martin on Apr 23, 2015 8:11:58 GMT
Glad the reaming worked, it's a slow job but very satisfying when it works! I would never have thought to measure the headstock depth either, not sure if there is a fix for that other than at some point to get another set of tuners. Looks like you might just be able to get a string wrap below and a couple above the shaft hole for now though? Hopefully even the burst thread is manageable as long as you don't try to tinker with it any more... Removing the 5th peg is completely uncharted territory as far as I'm concerned. There is some advice here www.frets.com/FretsPages/Luthier/Technique/Banjo/Gear5thPeg/gear5th.html if you haven't already found it? Thanks Joe, I did check the Frets advice, as well as watching a Ritchie Dotson video, but neither techniques worked for me - it's completely solid in the neck. I'll keep these tuners in place as I think you're right, I can manage a couple of turns of the string, which should be enough  Martin, Looking at your photos I think getting the fifth string tuner out may be the least of your problems - getting a new one fitted might be a major task. Does the hex nut turn with a spanner ? it may be that the hex nut is part of the tuner case and the whole of the tuner is screwed into a threaded hole in the neck (a bit like the Highlander end pins are). If so then you wold screw it out but the hole left behind looks as though it will be too big for a modern geared fifth string tuner and will need a wooden plug fitted and the new tuner hole drilled and reamed out. Thanks Dave. The hex nut *might* turn with a spanner, but there's just not enough of it showing to get access, and the top part of it is snug under the fretboard. If the hole is the size of the hex nut, then there's no problem, but if there's a threaded fitting in there, then you're right - I'm screwed  I saw a suggestion somewhere to gently heat the metal of the 'hex' thing with a soldering iron and then try to work it loose - worth a try? Martin |
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