R the F
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Post by R the F on Aug 28, 2016 10:20:21 GMT
I'm more and more convinced I've been lumbered (!) with stinky old Mora. I don't have a lot of luck, do I?
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R the F
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Post by R the F on Aug 28, 2016 21:51:13 GMT
Thanks, scripsit , for the jarrah insight. I believe jarrah may be a bugger to work but, believe me, mora is also a bugger to work - and maybe even a bigger bugger - because it blunts your tools but worst of all it smells bad and makes the whole workshop smell as if you haven't changed your socks recently. Not a nice working environment. Even worse when someone pops in to see you. Also mora isn't very pretty; I suspect jarrah at least has a nice redness about it; mora is just bland. It's not horrible; it's just mora (less). Nonetheless, I have made a large bridge out of mora so I am stuck with making a fingerboard out of it, too, though there is no edict which says the fingerboard and the bridge must match. But it will make a very practical fingerboard since it is so hard-wearing according to all accounts. I managed to get the bridge down to just under 70gms and, although I know that colins , my luthier guru, advocates 20-25gms and I myself have managed that kind of range on my last few guitars, I think we have to take into account two things here: firstly, the fact that mora is extremely dense (as in over 1000kg/ m 3) and, secondly, the fact that this "bridge" is really part bridge and part soundboard. In fact, as it stands, I reckon only 16gms of this will be bridge protruding above the level of the soundboard, though the weight of the soundboard itself will be increased marginally by having the denser wood partly replacing it. Don't worry about all this: the point is that I don't think I've added too much weight to the soundboard, which might inhibit vibration, while I will definitely have strengthened it considerably, which will inhibit collapse. This carving and rasping and chiseling and sanding has cost me finger-skin and has deprived my wife and a son of my company for hours on end - especially since this is my third attempt at it. But now it is done and I feel this is emblematic of the victory of the indomitable perseverance of the human spirit over the calamities of life.... It doesn't smell nice, though. Here is my progress in photographic form: It still needs to be sanded flush but I'm getting there at last.
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R the F
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Post by R the F on Aug 29, 2016 18:36:26 GMT
The lad's back from the Reading Festival and I couldn't even smell his socks as I threw them into the washing machine; I must have been inured to the smell by working on the mora bridge. Mora that later... I've been too generous with my thickening down the middle so, unfortunately, there's quite a lot of scraping and sanding in store before I can get it down from 4ish to 3ish mm. It would be a damn sight quicker to just shave the braces down further and leave the thickness in the soundboard and I'll probably end up with a compromise. I'm loath to end up with something which is over-built and rather dead-sounding but that might be the way I'm heading if I'm not careful. I am reminded of the fact that the height of a brace is disproportionately significant to its width as far as its stiffening effect is concerned. Anyway, I did a lot of scraping at first just to bring the bridge plate flush with the top: As usual I got a bit bored with this especially since my dust-mask battery was charging and I didn't want to do any energetic sanding without protection... so I switched my efforts to the bindings. I routed out a channel (3 x 6mm) and cut some maple rather too oversized: I'm trying to keep everything very simple if you remember.
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R the F
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Post by R the F on Aug 31, 2016 21:11:34 GMT
A large amount of hand-sanding followed. I sanded the top hard for a long time and now it's not far off the projected 2.5-3.0mm that I was aiming for, this being the combined thickness of the bridge-plate and the soundboard. I also lost about 0.5mm of skin from my hands all round in the process. Of course, during all the thinning of the front, I was keeping a keen ear on the tap-tone of the soundboard. It was improving but then started, well, rattling! You may or may not remember that I earlier had to re-glue the minor braces because the fish-glue refused to hold them. Well, this time, one of the very long braces had come away and, with very little help, it eased itself off all the way to the top. I've re-attached it with yellow glue. I could do without this sort of thing. The obvious question is, what about the other major braces? Are they about the detach themselves or will they wait till I've put the back on? I'd better give them a good work-out to make sure they're all secure before closing up. I also realised I had to remove some of the soundboard bulk on either side of the bridge unit, since the whole of the central part of the soundboard had been left at about 4mm (or more) to accommodate the recessed bridge. I also wanted to taper a little towards the edges to free up the soundboard a little more. Having done this, I realised I had cut into the depth of the binding-housing and it would need re-routing before I tried to glue in the maple binding. With this in mind I also remembered that the sides (sapele veneer) were very rough and would need serious sanding before they would take polish. So I then turned to energetic reduction of the sides until they no longer showed the excessive banding caused by the ripped out interlocking grain of the sapele. I probably had to take half a millimetre off all the way round. This, of course, cut into the width of the binding channel so, with both the depth and the width compromised, I ran the top edge against the router once more and cleaned it up ready to receive the binding. Now, the binding is solid maple and, as such, has a bit of a mind of its own; it would need more than a bit of sticky tape to hold it in place even though I have done my best to bend it on the bending iron. So yesterday I bought some cotton rope - a great length of it - which I will wrap around the guitar tightly when I come to put the binding on. However, with the back open and even though the sides are strong, I think it would be wise to wait till I have a complete box before I start heaving on rope to pull in the bindings. So what else could I do? Well, next on my list is the fingerboard. The fingerboard is going to be jarrah-cum-mora. However, I can't move the sleeper on my own so this morning I got out my handsaw and lopped a good half meter off the end. I can move that much of it so I hoisted it onto my table-saw and set about taking pieces off it: I started by taking enough off the side to make sure that I was through all the splitting and cracking and into solid wood (above). Next I went for a thinner strip which could be used for a fingerboard or two: Here's the piece I cut off: Most of it's in pretty good nick considering it's been trundled over by thousands of trains. It's smelly but sound. Next thing was to plane, rasp and sand it down to the sort of thickness I need - around 6mm: I must admit I had to resort to my home-made sander-thicknesser and it did a worthy job but I finished everything off by going through the grades (down to 240 grit) by hand. Here's the finished article - a fingerboard blank: I even managed to cut some slots in approximately the right places, though my jig goes for a slightly diagonal look if left to its own devices: It's not actually attached to the neck yet, by the way, but good progress all the same.
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leoroberts
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Post by leoroberts on Aug 31, 2016 22:00:42 GMT
It looks an interesting grain and could be quite pretty when polished up, I reckon...
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R the F
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Post by R the F on Aug 31, 2016 22:03:17 GMT
It looks an interesting grain and could be quite pretty when polished up, I reckon... Yeah, Leo. I did wipe the back of it to remove some double-sided tape and it was quite pretty; reddish-orange with bands of purple-grey. It'll soon be all the rage!
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R the F
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Post by R the F on Sept 1, 2016 18:03:21 GMT
Just the facts, I'm afraid. Started the day by planing the edges of two pieces of sapele constructional veneer (1.5mm) and then glued them edge to edge, the beginnings of a back for the box. Increased the depth of the fret slots so that they wouldn't disappear when I profiled the fingerboard to a radius of 16 inches (406.5mm) and then profiled the fingerboard. Before sticking it to the neck, I had to arrange a shallow channel through the bit of soundboard between the soundhole and the neck because it's still slightly over-thickness in this area to give the soundboard extra strength, though I might shave this down later. I've got a picture of this: When all was prepared I stuck the fingerboard on in exactly the right place - I hope: Got to take someone to judo. Back soon....
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R the F
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Post by R the F on Sept 1, 2016 19:03:41 GMT
Hey, Rob. Are you expecting to get this one finished for Halifax?
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R the F
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Post by R the F on Sept 1, 2016 19:05:06 GMT
Well, I was hoping to but I'm cutting it a bit fine now. Funny you should mention it, though; I was just wondering the same thing to Dougie on the way to judo. What do you reckon?
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R the F
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Post by R the F on Sept 1, 2016 19:05:28 GMT
Not sure. You should know.
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Post by missclarktree on Sept 1, 2016 19:27:48 GMT
Looks like the stress has triggered an episode of Dissociative Identity Disorder.
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R the F
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Post by R the F on Sept 1, 2016 19:44:25 GMT
Looks like the stress has triggered an episode of Dissociative Identity Disorder. Well, it's a stressful time and who knows what mistakes are lurking round the corner ready to jump out and slow me down?
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R the F
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Post by R the F on Sept 2, 2016 21:38:44 GMT
I've decided to omit the photos of my go-bar deck for the moment; I can't think of any more exciting angles to take it from and I don't think a video of it would cut the mustard. Suffice it to say that I glued most of a second layer on to the back this morning so that it only remains for me to glue on the last piece tomorrow morning and I will have a whole back less the braces. I've put a nice stripe of maple down the middle in the inside in case anyone is not sure that the back is laminated. I do have a problem with my go-bar deck, however. My go-bars keep breaking. The majority of them are made of beech and I don't think it likes being stressed like that. I'll either have to buy some ash or invest in some of those swanky GRP (fibreglass) ones I've occasionally seen featured on builds. The problem is that I resent paying money for something which shouldn't really cost anything if you could be bothered to sort yourself out. Anyway, having avoided a few splintered go-bars as they flew across the workshop with a crack, I decided to get on with the neck. It started out as a hefty plank despite my having shaped it a little at an earlier stage on francis 's advice. I strapped everything down and started carving: I soon realised that this wasn't a very satisfactory set-up and used some more robust tie-downs: As you can see, I started off with the spoke-shave to remove large amount of excess timber and then switched to the coarse side of a Japanese rasp - marvellous thing - before fine-tuning with the fine side and last of all moving on to sand-paper. It's not really finished yet but only needs the ends sorting out now: That's a truly terrifying headstock at the moment and needs a little work if it's not going to end up rather head-heavy. Viewed from the other side I think it looks quite nice, though this photo doesn't do it justice (awful lighting): I asked Mrs RtheF what she thought of the aesthetic of this one and she said it stinks and could I not leave it in the house, please. Yes, but what about the aesthetic? Well, the smell is part of it, she said. Yes, but... Anyway, the differences between this and previous similar efforts are small but telling in my opinion. The slightly shorter neck because of the 12th fret join and having the soundhole thus pushed further down the soundboard gives it a slightly different feel. And there's virtually no decoration at all, which appeals to me, and there will only be a light-coloured maple binding round the edge when it's finished. Thoroughly bland and no cutaway. I think it might work.
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R the F
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Post by R the F on Sept 3, 2016 8:42:48 GMT
When I said there would be no more pictures of go-bar decks, I wasn't counting on the excitement of this morning. Got the lad out of bed and took him to his Saturday job at the garden centre and went and found some nice thin cane (3 foot long for 12p). Bought 30 - big spender - got home and put the last piece of the back puzzle into the go-bar deck. Poetry, pure poetry.
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R the F
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Post by R the F on Sept 3, 2016 21:22:42 GMT
Did a bit more whittling away at the neck today in a leisurely weekendy messing-about sort of way. Getting nearer the finished profile, I think. I also finished making the back. Here's a picture of it: This is the inside of the back and consists of two strips of sapele down the outside with a band of maple down the middle. What you see here is halfway through the process of gluing the reinforcing pieces across the joins. The one on the left is already glued but still has all its tape on; there are strips of tape bordering the reinforcements to keep too much glue from spreading and there are other bits of tape which are there to keep the pieces of reinforcement from sliding around once pressure is applied in the go-bar deck. The one on the right is about to be glued up but only has the glue-protector strips of tape in place. Here's a picture of the same thing with the tape removed from the glued strips: It's actually in the go-bar deck as I speak with the right-hand side drying but I haven't included a picture even though I have one. See if you can imagine a go-bar deck with lots of bamboo go-bars. That's what it looks like.
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