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Post by jackorion on Apr 28, 2018 7:10:52 GMT
Hey folks!
We've just posted this review of the new 'Builder's Edition' Taylor K14ce which features the new V-Class Bracing...
I found this guitar a little hard to get my head around as it does genuinely have a very different feel and response to a lot of other guitars, and that was a little hard to explain in words - the attack of the note is almost immediate and the sustain was very even.
Sometimes when guitars have an 'immediate' attack it's all bass note and nothing else (like a timpani) but this guitar didn't have that feel at all, it took me a little while to get used to playing it...
If you're a fan of the Taylor sound than the V-Class bracing hasn't left that tone behind completely but it has mixed it up a little, if you get a chance to try one out it's worth doing so!
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Post by andyhowell on Apr 30, 2018 9:04:46 GMT
Another interesting review which choses my experiences of playing higher end Taylors. They are great guitars — at this price — with, as you say, a very different sound. The high end necks I have always found comfortable. I've not played the V braced models yet but will do so now! At this price though there is a lot of competition especially in the hand built market!
One thing. All those mics on the wall behind you are fascinating — but shouldn't they have covers on them :-)
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Post by jackorion on Apr 30, 2018 13:16:08 GMT
Another interesting review which choses my experiences of playing higher end Taylors. They are great guitars — at this price — with, as you say, a very different sound. The high end necks I have always found comfortable. I've not played the V braced models yet but will do so now! At this price though there is a lot of competition especially in the hand built market! One thing. All those mics on the wall behind you are fascinating — but shouldn't they have covers on them :-) I don't know about the mics to be honest - the studio we record in store them like that but I assume they uncover them before we get there! Taylor's have their own voice which I think is one that has a broad appeal in that it suits many styles and is instantly pleasing - sometimes the lower end models suffer from a lack of 'complexity' for want of a better term, but, if you like the Taylor sound, the higher end models (800s, 900s etc) always seem to have a bit of extra depth going on. The V bracing has it's own thing going which is worth checking out - I had a chance to go back and forth with a V braced and an X braced 914ce recently and they both had plusses and minuses and I think I'd have been hard-pushed to choose a favourite.
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Post by andyhowell on Apr 30, 2018 17:33:10 GMT
I know its hard jackorion but how wold you describe the difference between X and V shaped Taylors?
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Post by jonnymosco on Apr 30, 2018 18:09:08 GMT
I enjoyed your review Ben.
I suppose if somebody was really into Taylors, this would be their 'holy grail'. I'd like to try one to see if the v-bracing is everything they claim it to be and would like to know more about the construction.
Jonny
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Post by jackorion on Apr 30, 2018 19:24:40 GMT
I know its hard jackorion but how wold you describe the difference between X and V shaped Taylors? All of this is from memory, but I'm very familiar with the X brace Taylor sound (post Andy Powers re-voicing circa 2014) having sold and played lots of them over the years and I sat for a good hour or so with both the X and the V. Both guitars were 914ce's (at Mansons in Exeter if people want to know where you could try out both) I felt that the X guitar a bit more 'drum' like bass - imagine the soundwave being like this ' /\_ ' so the bass was very immediate like a kick drum almost but without a smooth decay. Although this is not a good description as the tone was still good, it was almost like a 'thud' then the note emerged as the thud subsided... The V guitar I felt had less initial impact (no 'thud'), but the note rang longer and clearer - more like a piano I suppose (or even a keyboard in some ways as it was like the note instantly happened). Although I'm pretty certain the V was louder the difference in volume between the attack and the decay sometimes fooled me into thinking it was quieter... The X brace had a bit more of a, dare-I-say, Martin-esque mid-range 'scoop' - a typical rosewood spruce eq curve - whereas I thought the V had a bit more overtones in the mid range (similar in some ways to the Collings voice vs the Martin voice). Trebles on the X were more traditional whereas I think the V had 'thicker' trebles with more overtones - a bit more 'brassy' rather than 'crystal'. The X brace could get a bit 'loose' sounding - quite a bit of power in the low end and a bit more 'rumbly' whereas I thought the V was tighter although, as I said in the demo, it could only go to certain point in terms of playing hard and still projecting - the X I think might suit a heavy handed strummer a bit better in that respect. I think the V was an excellent fingerstyle guitar - it almost felt like there was a bit of compression going on that helped with balancing out the tone but I don't remember it being an issue with regards to soft playing, but it definitely came alive a bit more with a slightly more forceful picking hand. There were a few notes on the X that were perhaps a little 'woofy' but I don't remember the V suffering from that and, if it did, I think they would be around the range where the extra mids would help them ring out. They were both excellent guitars, and it would have been difficult for me to choose between them - on balance I *think* I might have preferred the V for my style of playing (fingerstyle, often in dadgad or similar, hardly no strumming) and the V definitely has something 'different' going on in the tone that made it interesting to my ear, similar in some ways to what interests me in my new Collings OM2hT - a different mid-range quality I think...
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Post by andyhowell on Apr 30, 2018 19:50:44 GMT
Interesting. I think I understand what you mean by compression.
At that price though I do wonder. The best guitar of this style I have played in the last few years was by Scottish-based luthier Steve Agnew, an absolute peach off spruce and walnut. And that was only £3k!
Still a Taylor is a Taylor I suppose formally people.
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Post by ocarolan on Apr 30, 2018 21:34:19 GMT
Enjoyed the video Ben, and the follow up X-V impressions were interesting too. I think there's a lot in how notes develop and fade once plucked that determines how we perceive a guitar to sound - not always easy to explain, but you did a good job! Just a thought - is there any scope for a word or three on how review guitars cope with a capo on, esp higher up around 5th fret? Really important for fingerstyle as you know, and some guitars cope much better with this than others in terms of maintaining tonal balance, sustain and volume. Might mak too much demand on time for your vids though. What do you think? Keith Missed the checked shirt though.
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Post by jackorion on May 1, 2018 6:29:24 GMT
Enjoyed the video Ben, and the follow up X-V impressions were interesting too. I think there's a lot in how notes develop and fade once plucked that determines how we perceive a guitar to sound - not always easy to explain, but you did a good job! Just a thought - is there any scope for a word or three on how review guitars cope with a capo on, esp higher up around 5th fret? Really important for fingerstyle as you know, and some guitars cope much better with this than others in terms of maintaining tonal balance, sustain and volume. Might mak too much demand on time for your vids though. What do you think? Keith Missed the checked shirt though. That's something I've considered trying to include - if time was unlimited I'd like to go as depth with the guitars as possible but, to be honest with you, we do film several reviews in one day to make best use of the studio so we have a set amount of time allocated to each guitar and it does depend on how smoothly each review goes as to how much we can fit in. That being said there's normally enough time for me at the beginning of the day to spend a fair bit of time playing the guitars not for camera and making my assessments so I could fit some capo time in then! No checked shirt for a few more videos I'm afraid, but there's a good 'folky grandad collar' (as my teenage step daughter described it) coming up!
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