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Post by lefranglais on Oct 12, 2019 8:31:16 GMT
I then carved and sanded the X-brace to its finished profile and started on the fan braces. All the front braces are let into the X-brace to form a solid framework. Here is one of the fan braces with its notch in the X.
And here it is in place. The sand paper stuck onto the yellow masking tape was used to sand the underside of the fan brace so that it made contact perfectly with the front and the bridge plate, but I forgot to photograph that too.
Here the left and right fan braces are being glued in place. They have had the tops profiled and the off-cuts from the tops are used as clamping cauls.
Here the centre fan brace is also being glued.
Three fan braces glued.
All the braces fitted and ‘carved’. I haven’t a clue about carving and tuning braces so I just made them look nice. There’s no upper transverse brace as I don’t think it will be necessary. The part of the fingerboard which extends over the body will be supported by a neck extension in the way that Colin does it, so there’ll be a cut out in the top for that. I’ve reinforced that area of the top with a cross-grained spruce patch. That, together with the A-braces should make it strong enough, I think. If the box implodes I’ll be proved wrong
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Post by earthbalm on Oct 12, 2019 14:45:28 GMT
Wow (again). Entertaining and educational and rather beautiful to look at pictures. Thanks.
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Post by andyhowell on Oct 13, 2019 8:59:56 GMT
Still here
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Post by lefranglais on Oct 14, 2019 14:56:57 GMT
Thanks for staying with me. Here's a little more.
The back and front are now ready to glue to the sides but, before I do that I have to make the access panel. The access panel isn’t really essential, but it means I can get my hand inside the guitar to adjust the yaw or pitch, or whatever they are called, of the neck without taking the strings off. If I knew what I was doing, it would also enable me to get inside to fine tune the brace carving with the guitar strung up; but I don’t, so it won’t. I should also mention that this, again, isn’t my design; I borrowed it, with his permission, from Kent Chasson, another generous pro. This is the end graft. The different tiles and strips of veneer were assembled on a piece of 1mm ply and this has now been glued to a piece of maple to make the whole thing 5mm thick.
This, together with the birch ply disc we saw earlier and a piece of very old dark mahogany (because that’s what I had), also thicknessed to 5mm, will form the access panel.
I trimmed the maple flush with the tiles and glued a piece of white veneer on either side.
A 5mm hole was drilled through the end graft to locate it, and the mahogany cut into two pieces and the cut edges trimmed.
The mahogany pieces were band-sawn to an oversize circular shape and glued to the plywood disk. The tapered end graft isn’t glued in place yet. It’s positioned with a dowel pin through the hole and into the plywood disc.
Now the wedge is removed and the mahogany trimmed to the required diameter.
A piece of white veneer is glued to the outside of each mahogany segment.
The ends of the wedge are trimmed, the veneers are trimmed flush with the mahogany but the wedge still isn’t glued in place. Before I can do that, I’ll have to cut a circular hole in the tail block and sides to fit the disc.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 14, 2019 20:40:00 GMT
Beautiful craftsmanship. Couldn’t do it, but can admire it.
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Post by lefranglais on Oct 15, 2019 15:13:03 GMT
Thanks Vinny.
Now to make a corresponding hole in the sides. To do this, I made another disc from MDF with a 5mm hole in the centre, and which fitted snugly into the hole in the tail block. With this disc in place, I drilled through the 5mm hole and the sides where they are joined.This disc was then fixed to a square MDF base that I can hold in the vice. The tail block was placed onto the disc and fixed to the base with double sided tape and a dowel pin installed. That was a long-winded way of saying it now looks like this.
The hole was then cut using the circle cutter and a ledge carefully cut to fit the circular mahogany panel.
The wedge was then fitted into the circular panel and the panel positioned in the hole. A line was scribed on either side of the wedge and a recess cut to accept the ends of the wedge.
The wedge is now finally glued into the panel and the panel fitted into the sides. The panel is almost flush with the sides in the centre but, as it is flat, it protrudes more at the outer edges. To trim this down flush with the sides, it will need to be held firmly in place.
So now I need to make the bits that hold the panel in, starting with these two little maple blocks.
And this aluminium channel. You can see how it works from the drawing. You slide one end of the channel in, pivot the other end into place and slide it back to centralise it. The little blocks then stop it falling inside the body when you install the panel.
The blocks being glued in place.
One end of the channel inserted.
The other end swings in and the channel is centralised
A small block of wood is glued in the channel to take a wood screw.
The panel is now held firmly in place by that big wood screw and can be planed down flush with the sides. The wood screw is temporary; it will be replaced by an end pin after finishing.
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Post by earthbalm on Oct 15, 2019 16:42:25 GMT
Art and engineering - fantastic!
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Post by lefranglais on Oct 22, 2019 13:46:20 GMT
Spent my life in engineering so I suppose I tend to go about things in a certain way.
Been a bit busy these last few days, but I can now add a bit more to this saga.
Now I can glue the back on. I glue the back on with the back in the radius dish and the sides on top.
Here's another long-winded tale.
What happened next was that I glued the front on, routed for bindings and glued in bindings and purflings and during all that I completely forgot about taking photos. I also have to confess that I chickened out on the arm-rest bevel, so I just installed faux tortoise binding without side purflings. It didn’t look very nice. My little 1/8” down-cut router cutter is knackered so there was rather a lot of chipping out in the binding rebate that I only noticed when I’d finished cutting it. But I was hoping that glue and sanding dust would disguise it. This curly Claro does seem to be rather brittle and chips easily. The cold weather had set in (this was in January) so I‘d bought a humidifier which kept the workshop at about 40 to 45% RH. It worked fine for about a month, and then it gave up the ghost. I took it back to the shop where they said they’d have to send it away to be repaired and then we left for ten days to go to Venice for the Carnival. Of course, I should have turned the heating off in the workshop, but I forgot and when we got back I found the humidity down to about 20% and the top had a 5” crack in it. Oh, and a message from the shop to say that my humidifier was ready for collection. I didn’t mention this before, but I’d already had a couple of problems with the rosette. One was that there was some slight tear-out of the spruce in the purfling channel. The other was that in spite of sealing with shellac, it would appear that some of the CA leached into the end grain of the spruce and discoloured it slightly. I think the problem was that the shellac I used is old and didn’t dry hard, but I decided it would have to do. I now had a distinct feeling that something or someone was trying to tell me something. Like I shouldn’t have ‘made do’ with tear out in the rosette channel, CA staining the spruce, using plastic binding and avoiding the side purflings and chickening out on the arm-rest bevel and was now being told to try ‘making do’ with a cracked top! So with more than a little help and advice from Colin and others, I routed the top off and started again; which is why some of the previous photos are of the first top and rosette and some are of the second. Having decided that this time I should try to make a proper job of it, I made a new top and thought I really ought to have a go at the arm rest. By now, I’d gleaned some more information about how different people go about it and one thing I’d noticed is that some cut the armrest profile into the top and the side before assembling them. I couldn’t do that with the side as the lining was already glued to it, but I could do it to the new top, so after a bit of fiddling about drawing the profile in CAD, I cut the shape into the top and this is what it looked like.
The last photo gives a false impression of what the armrest will look like as the shape includes the surplus which will be trimmed off after the top is glued on, as shown here. My intention is to try to achieve a smooth blend of the armrest bevel into the body shape.
I then re-routed the binding rebate, slightly deeper than the first time. At this point the transition from armrest to body profile still isn’t smooth, but the purfling rebate has still to be cut.
I decided, this time around, to make wooden bindings using the off-cuts from the sides. The front bindings can be straight, but the back has such a wavy profile that I used the templates I made for the linings to make profiled back bindings. It wasn’t wasteful as the side off-cut already had that profile. It just needed smoothing out.
This time, I glued a single white side purfling veneer to the bindings before bending them. I took Colin’s advice and used waterproof (exterior) wood glue and it worked fine. The two bindings back-to-back (nearest the camera) are the straight ones for the top. The other two are the wavy back bindings which couldn’t be bent back to back but the purflings didn’t come unstuck even so. There was a little spring back, although there doesn’t seem to be in the photo. That’s because the bindings were stuck to the kraft paper and the paper stuck to the slat. Can you see the little green clips (made from garden wire)? That’s another idea I picked up from Colin. There are 8 in all and they keep the inner slat in place while dismantling the rest, so the slat can’t straighten out and break the bindings.
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Post by ocarolan on Oct 22, 2019 16:13:14 GMT
Such setbacks are undoubtedly frustrating for you, but seeing the way you solve the problems so well is fascinating - thanks for sharing!
keith
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Post by lefranglais on Oct 29, 2019 16:21:20 GMT
Been a bit busy with other things the last few days but I can now add another episode to the saga. At this point I needed to cut the armrest profile into the side. I drew the curve I wanted and stuck it onto the side and very slowly and carefully cut it using a craft knife and chisels.
I then cut the rebate for the top purfling and finally got a fairly smooth transition into the armrest. Not perfect, but not bad for a first attempt.
I stuck this off-cut from the top back where it came from while routing the purfling rebate, so that the ‘donut’ which rides on the top didn’t fall into the armrest area and ruin everything.
The top purfling was now glued in place. (Why don’t they make it long enough to go all the way round?)
Postimage is now telling me that the service is temporarily unavailable, so I'll have to post a bit more later on.
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Post by lefranglais on Oct 31, 2019 16:18:26 GMT
Well, Postimage seems to be working again so, ‘as I was saying’: The ends of this extra bit of binding will need to be pared down to be flush with the purfling before installing the ‘real’ binding.
Like so:
I actually did this using the binding router.
Now I can install the ‘real’ binding. The height of the binding was reduced to about 2.5mm in the area of the armrest which made it a lot easier to push down to the side profile.
I let this piece of binding overlap the tail graft as I need it to be glued to the sides but not to the tail graft (or I won’t be able to get the access panel out).
Glued in the treble side top binding too.
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Post by colins on Nov 1, 2019 12:35:49 GMT
Beautifully done Dave. Of course if you had used plastic binding it would have gone all the way round!
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Post by lefranglais on Nov 4, 2019 9:17:11 GMT
The faux tortoiseshell did Colin. Then it went in the bin!
I then set about cutting the bevel. I took most of it off with a spoke-shave, but didn’t trust myself to get an accurate 45° by hand without accidentally rounding off the corners so I made this rather cumbersome looking sanding thingy. It worked really well, doing most of the work with 80-grit abrasive and finishing off with 150-grit.
I finished up with a triangular section groove next to the top and side bindings so I glued two fillets in and sanded them off flush with the rest. You can just see where they are in this photo
Well, so far so good, in fact better than I expected. I now needed to make a template for the armrest veneer. I use this spray adhesive quite a lot. When it’s dry you can stick the paper to the wood and peel it off later.
Which I did, and then stuck it to a piece of thin card and cut it out leaving about 3mm to trim off later.
I then had to find a piece of walnut big enough to cover the armrest. If I hadn’t already cut up the off-cuts from the back to use as a head stock back-strap I could have had a piece whose grain almost matched the curve of the armrest. In the end I managed to find two pieces to glue together which should look OK. I glued them together and reduced the thickness to about 1.25mm. When I cut the profile I thought I’d better err on the safe side so I added another 3mm all round.I then had to find a piece of walnut big enough to cover the armrest. If I hadn’t already cut up the off-cuts from the back to use as a head stock back-strap I could have had a piece whose grain almost matched the curve of the armrest. In the end I managed to find two pieces to glue together which should look OK. I glued them together and reduced the thickness to about 1.25mm. When I cut the profile I thought I’d better err on the safe side so I added another 3mm all round.
As it was more or less cross-grained it was quite flexible. I glued it on using fish glue and rather a lot of tape. I think if (when?) I do another I’ll find an old inner tube and make an endless rubber band to hold the veneer on while gluing.
When I finally got all that tape off it looked like this.
And after some VERY slow and careful work with a spokeshave and scraper, it looked like this. I realised that, when cutting the 45° bevel, I should have taken it nearer to the purfling on the top (i.e. taken more off the extra top binding) as the 1.25mm veneer when trimmed at 45° leaves a surface 1.8mm wide. Still, I’m very pleased with it as a first attempt.
I then glued in the back bindings (profiled bindings are great!) and it’s starting to look like a guitar.
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Post by colins on Nov 4, 2019 10:47:38 GMT
Oh, it really looks like a guitar (and I've seen it in the flesh).
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Post by lefranglais on Nov 5, 2019 17:17:54 GMT
Glad you didn't say 'in person' Colin. Although some people do refer to them as 'she' which I also find a bit strange. Apart from Howard Klepper's 'Nakyd Laydie' of course.
With the box closed it’s time to start on the neck. So here’s the neck blank which has had two strategically placed holes drilled in it for dowel pins and a lump sawn off it. The holes are inside the head profile, but positioned so they won’t interfere with tuners, etc. They’ll be hidden by headstock veneers front and back.
Moved the sawn-off piece round the back, inserted the dowel pins and glued it back together.
Then planed the headstock down to the nut line.
Cut two pieces off the other end to form a heel block and thinned one of them down.
Glued the two heel pieces together and drilled the counter-bored hole for the neck angle adjusting screw. It would be difficult or even impossible to drill the hole after the heel block is glued to the neck shaft. Also cut two slots and glued two cross grained pieces of maple in them so that the barrel bolt anchoring the neck won’t be pulling on end grain. In fact, there needn’t be much tension on the barrel bolt. The string tension holds the neck in place and the bolt is really only there to prevent the neck being bent backwards when the strings are taken off. The toothpicks are to locate the heel block when gluing.
Heel block glued in place.
I added two carbon fibre tubes to reinforce the heel.
Drilling the hole for the (barrel) bolt after having cut the tenon and drilled the hole for the barrel. The piece of dowel was a tight fit which means no break-out when the drill goes through the barrel hole.
Here’s what it looks like with the hardware in place.
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