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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2013 16:37:10 GMT
......new Tony McManus album (waiting on the doorstep foe me when I got home) + news that Logic X is about to be released = a very happy chappy Just gave the McManus album a quick listen- good stuff mostly, and hearing his PRS reminded me of Ian's new Steve Fischer guitar- McManus' recorded guitar sound is just immense, and positively orchestral (Steve Fischer designed the PRS acoustic models apparently). There is definitely a family resemblance. Us Logic users have all but given up on seeing a new version of our favourite recording software, so this may well be the catalyst I need to upgrade and spend the summer holiday finally getting an album recorded Robbie
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Post by earwighoney on Jul 16, 2013 21:03:00 GMT
I didn't know you used Logic Rob, I have been too myself. I've been using it since V4! (Missing 6 and 7 on the way- didn't have a Mac at the time).
LPX looks pretty nice. There was a LOT of speculation it was going the same way as Final Cut, but it's good to see for V10 it's been a situation of evolution not revolution.
The only downside is that it requires 10.8 for installation.
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Post by andyhowell on Jul 16, 2013 21:16:44 GMT
Logic X looks very interesting - I'm sure it won't take long to download!
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Post by earwighoney on Jul 16, 2013 21:20:05 GMT
It's in the Mac Store already.
£140
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Post by Akquarius on Jul 17, 2013 19:41:29 GMT
Robbie, that's good news about your plans of recording an album.
Looking forward to that one!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2013 20:33:05 GMT
Thanks Bernd- one of the perks of my job is that I get long summer holidays, and with a change in circumstances at home I've good several days totally clear when I can get some quality recording done. Its about time!
EWH- I checked out the 10.8 requirements- luckily its only about £13 or so on iTunes. I remember not so long ago OS upgrades costing significantly more than that. Even Logic is a bit of a bargain. I bought Logic 7 many years ago and remember even at the educational price it costing me a few hundred quid, and some of the plugins that Logic ships with were several hundred pounds when they first came out. Could it be that software is one of the few things that in this day in age is actually getting cheaper! Haven't used Logic for about 2 years now- had to 'put up' with Cubase, which is fine, but the audio editing in Cubase is absolutely horrid.
Robbie
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Post by earwighoney on Jul 17, 2013 21:35:28 GMT
Even though 10.8 is really well priced, but for my 4-5 year old Macbook, 10.8 would be a little sluggish so there's not much point upgrading to LPX as much as the Logic fanboy wants to. The Logic fanboy in me was questioning buying a new Mac to run the new Logic.
It's pricetage really is amazing though, Space Designer alone is more than worth it.
I'm not a big fan of Cubase, I'd rather use Reaper instead, which is a bit lacking for Midi but superior for Audio editing.
When are you planning to record your album? I recorded mine last year and have some Logic related things and some other things (mic placements etc) which I learnt from trial and error which I could pass on to you if you like; save you making the same mistakes which I made.
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Post by andyhowell on Jul 18, 2013 20:54:44 GMT
You will have no real problems with a four year old MacBook - at least not for basic recording projects. This really is a great bargain.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2013 7:34:59 GMT
Even though 10.8 is really well priced, but for my 4-5 year old Macbook, 10.8 would be a little sluggish so there's not much point upgrading to LPX as much as the Logic fanboy wants to. The Logic fanboy in me was questioning buying a new Mac to run the new Logic. It's pricetage really is amazing though, Space Designer alone is more than worth it. I'm not a big fan of Cubase, I'd rather use Reaper instead, which is a bit lacking for Midi but superior for Audio editing. When are you planning to record your album? I recorded mine last year and have some Logic related things and some other things (mic placements etc) which I learnt from trial and error which I could pass on to you if you like; save you making the same mistakes which I made. Sorry EWH, must have missed this post. I will gladly take any advice you may have about recording- that would be great. I've now downloaded Logic X. Thankfully it didn't take too long, and you can download the additional content gradually, which is good, as there is several GB of samples and things. First impressions are that the user interface is much slicker and looks more modern, whilst everything that I remember from using 8 and 9 still seems to be there. I've got a Focusrite audio interface turning up this morning, and a few borrowed mics and I'm ready to go I'm planning on keeping things fairly simple- very few overdubs, except on one piece which is a guitar duet, where I intend to play with myself! I'll keep you posted how I get on, Robbie Edit: Well I'm listening through my new Focusrite interface now (going into some very old but nice Genelec monitors) and the sound is stunning!
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Post by redpick on Jul 25, 2013 14:29:02 GMT
I'm a bit of a technophobe and haven't got round to learning Garageband on my Mac yet. Can you tell me the difference between Logic x and what Garageband does. I'd really like to get into recording, any tips on where to learn mastering it? I'm guessing Apple tutorial and YouTube, any other forums etc. Thanks.
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Post by earwighoney on Jul 25, 2013 21:36:53 GMT
redpick, garageband is a good place to start for audio recording. even though i use logic myself, it has a very steep learning curve. it's great for the midi side of things which is where i started but if you have no need for that there are other progs.
robbie, what microphones did you get? i'll try to write up my recording and mixing tips asap, which made things a lot more manageable. it's not really advice! advice would indicate that i knew what i was doing! it was more a case of trial and error, but if i write up what worked for me it could save you a lot of time which could be better spent playing/recording!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2013 7:51:41 GMT
I should really start a separate thread for this, but just a few thoughts in answer to Redpick's question:
There is certainly now a family resemblance now between Garageband and Logic. I think before there was too much of a leap between the two programs, but I like Logic X's screen layout- most things are easily accessible now without going to lots of menus, and also without using modifier keys. There is a nice look to the program that reminds me of Ableton Live.
Now to the question of is Logic worth the step up from Garageband. In my view yes- even if is just for the extra plugins. Like EWH said before, the convolution reverb in Logic is worth its price alone. When this first came out I remember it being about £200 or more on its own. You also get some superb instrument plugins, whose usefully ness will depend on whether you ever use the program for sequencing. I'm not sure whether Garageband supports higher sample rates and bit depths, but Logic certainly does, so I intend to make use of the 24 bit 192Khz option when I start recording my album. Also, if you are into scoring and producing notation Logic is able to do this (not that I ever have done).
Logic still has its quirks- setting up headphone mixes is still a faff, especially after using Cubase's elegant studio mix function, buts it do-able once you know how, and at the end of the day is a bit more flexible. The new drummer plugin smacks of being a bit of a 'toy', but I guess if you are a solo singer songwriter and just want to add some basic drums to your track it is very good. You can make the drum parts sound as complicated or as simple as you like, but at the end of the day, its still pre created loops.
The thing I am disliking at the moment is all the extra downloading- its taken me 2 days ow to download just the drum samples for the drummer plugin (each preset being about 2 gig in size- and there is a lot of them!) Still, you don't have to download all the extra content all at once.
Robbie
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2013 7:58:15 GMT
EWH- I have a pair of Rode NT 5's that I can use, but have also asked a local band who I know whether I can use their Neuman stereo pairs (especially as the band are on a summer break from gigging!) So should be able to get a good sound going into Logic!
I usually record using the XY (coincident pair) method. There are other methods. If you look at Michael Watts' recordings on youtube he uses a kind of spaced pair method, but this can sometimes run into phase problems if placement isn't exactly right.
Another method I have used but have gone off, is micing the lower bout and the 12 fret. I find this doesn't give a good enough stereo image for me.
So XY it will be- easy to set up and gives a generally good stereo image.
Robbie
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Post by Phil Taylor on Jul 26, 2013 8:58:29 GMT
......new Tony McManus album (waiting on the doorstep foe me when I got home) + news that Logic X is about to be released = a very happy chappy Just gave the McManus album a quick listen- good stuff mostly, and hearing his PRS reminded me of Ian's new Steve Fischer guitar- McManus' recorded guitar sound is just immense, and positively orchestral (Steve Fischer designed the PRS acoustic models apparently). There is definitely a family resemblance. Us Logic users have all but given up on seeing a new version of our favourite recording software, so this may well be the catalyst I need to upgrade and spend the summer holiday finally getting an album recorded Robbie Will look forward to this recording Robbie - exciting stuff indeed Phil
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Post by scripsit on Jul 26, 2013 9:25:25 GMT
Robbie Very exciting that you are going to put together some tunes. I agree that the sound on the latest Tony McManus album is excellent, and I especially like his beautiful version of Gnossieme. I'm not sure how many inputs you can stuff into your preamp simultaneously, but if you can plug in more than two microphones you might like to consider the technique described on Al Petteway's site: www.alandamy.com/tech.htmlIf you scroll near the bottom of the page he talks about what is essentially a spaced pair with matching microphones and a third in the centre. I believe Doug Young has used this technique on his latest album, too. Mind you, they both use extremely expensive microphones. I know this is a (very) subjective thing, but the guitar sound on Mr Petteway's recent 'Only the Blues' album is the best recorded sound I have ever heard for a solo steel string acoustic guitar. I experimented with XY placement for some time, but found that the spaced pair arrangement gave me better stereo separation, and what I would describe as a 'crisper', more realistic sound. I haven't experienced any issues with phasing. I've been using ADK A-6 microphones about 35-40 cms apart, and pointing at fret 12/behind bridge from about 30 cms away. I think lots of excellent classical recordings are done from much further away, but then the room treatment (or lack of it) becomes a significant factor. I found the process documented here fascinating, but it must be hard to get access to the right sort of natural reverb: Enjoy the experimentation, and it will be great to hear some more of your playing. Please document the mixing/mastering process that you end up using: I still find the possibilities in most DAWs a bit overwhelming. Kym
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