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Post by alan2007 on Jun 11, 2024 19:03:45 GMT
I know how, why and when to change strings, and one of the signs that strings need changing is that they start to sound dull. Would I be correct in saying it is the lower (wound) strings that would start to sound dull first ie before the higher strings? I am assuming this based on the theory that grease and dirt etc getting into the windings.
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Post by leoroberts on Jun 11, 2024 19:17:34 GMT
Personally, alan2007, I really like the dull sound
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Post by Onechordtrick on Jun 11, 2024 21:06:02 GMT
Personally, alan2007, I really like the dull sound I thought it’s because you’re allergic to changing strings?
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Post by ocarolan on Jun 11, 2024 21:30:53 GMT
I know how, why and when to change strings, and one of the signs that strings need changing is that they start to sound dull. Would I be correct in saying it is the lower (wound) strings that would start to sound dull first ie before the higher strings? I am assuming this based on the theory that grease and dirt etc getting into the windings. Exactly so, Alan. At most string changes I only renew the wound strings, leaving the plain strings on for perhaps 3 or 4 wound changes. Keith
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Post by andy3sheds on Jun 11, 2024 21:46:41 GMT
Alan2007 yes spot on hence the existence of coated strings. Coated strings are not universally liked and come at some expense but need changing less frequently which makes them more affordable. Old school practice was to wipe the strings down after playing and to use a string cleaner such as Fast Fret. The strings least prone to collecting muck and gunge are of course flat wound aka tape wound. There is a halfway house between round wound and tape wound strings ie ground wound. These are round wound which are slightly flatted off to give them a slicker feel. Smoother strings won’t pick up so much gunge will be less prone to squeaking but won’t have the brilliance of true round wound strings. It’s all compromise, apart from it’s always a good idea to wipe strings down!
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Post by alan2007 on Jun 12, 2024 6:04:36 GMT
Smoother strings won’t pick up so much gunge will be less prone to squeaking but won’t have the brilliance of true round wound strings. It’s all compromise, apart from it’s always a good idea to wipe strings down! Can I assume from this that an increase in squeak from strings is another sign that a string change is needed? Noted about wiping the strings down, I don't do it every time but I do have a cloth dedicated to wiping my guitars down generally- although they are not the most expensive in the world to me they are very precious and I want to keep then looking and sounding good. I will often wash my hands before picking up the guitar, this is the same for when I am model making too in order to remove any unsenn residies from food such as salt or oils, as well as other contaminants which could transfer to whatever I choose to pick up.
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Post by borborygmus on Jun 12, 2024 14:39:35 GMT
Smoother strings won’t pick up so much gunge will be less prone to squeaking but won’t have the brilliance of true round wound strings. It’s all compromise, apart from it’s always a good idea to wipe strings down! Can I assume from this that an increase in squeak from strings is another sign that a string change is needed? I am not sure I have experienced that. Coated strings (e.g. Elixir Nanowebs, D'Addario XS and XT, other brands are available) tend to squeak when first put on, but in my experience lose that quickly. I just tried my first set of D'Addario XS, and no squeak. Coated strings do last longer, but they are more expensive. I do suggest you try a set once, to see if that economy works for you, you like the feel, the sound, and so on. The point when strings start to "sound dull" can be a bit subjective, especially if you are only listening to your guitar. It might be the boiling frog apologue, i.e. you never notice because it happens gradually. I don't think I have a sophisticated ear for these things, which is why I tend to use coated strings, as I am by definition OK for a bit longer. Sometimes you will see coated strings looking "frayed" at the point where you pluck them - a good sign they need changing. If one has a highly developed ear for this, you will change strings more frequently. Martin Simpson, for example, puts new strings on before each performance. It helps if you are sponsored by a string company - keeps the costs down Peter
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Post by NikGnashers on Jun 12, 2024 18:51:52 GMT
Personally, alan2007 , I really like the dull sound I thought it’s because you’re allergic to changing strings? He's related to Nick Drake !
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Post by cesspit on Jun 13, 2024 12:20:49 GMT
I like changing strings, it is like getting a new guitar, well nearly. Just changed mine on the Martin D10 and it sounds great. In the gigging days I was changing strings once or even twice a week so I got quite adept at doing it. Easy on a Strat or Tele. Acoustic is different I find and it takes me longer. Hey ho, there's always a challenge.
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Post by brianr2 on Jun 13, 2024 13:10:13 GMT
I like changing strings, it is like getting a new guitar, well nearly. Just changed mine on the Martin D10 and it sounds great. In the gigging days I was changing strings once or even twice a week so I got quite adept at doing it. Easy on a Strat or Tele. Acoustic is different I find and it takes me longer. Hey ho, there's always a challenge. I too enjoy changing strings both for the revitalised sound and to satisfy my OCD need thoroughly to clean the guitar. I don’t know if you have tried one but an electric string winder really speeds up the process, either using an attachment for an existing electric screwdriver like this (which I have and love): linkor the complete thing, such as: link
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Post by minorkey on Jun 14, 2024 8:55:56 GMT
My Tanglewood had the same strings on for almost 10 years before I finally treated him to a new set
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Post by leoroberts on Jun 14, 2024 10:08:33 GMT
My Tanglewood had the same strings on for almost 10 years before I finally treated him to a new set Profligate spend-thrift...
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Post by cesspit on Jun 14, 2024 10:35:46 GMT
I've never used a string winder. I lock the string on the M/head post, I think they call it the luthiers knot. You only need a couple of turns and you are there. Learnt this in the late 70s and relied on this to this day. Never needed locking tuners and so long as the nut and intonation are good I've never really had tuning problems.
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Post by ocarolan on Jun 14, 2024 11:12:05 GMT
I'll use my manual string winder if I can find it, but I'm happy without one!
Many years ago I used the so-called "luthier's knot" but gave it up after a few months because of the extra faff I need when removing an old string and the frequency with which I stabbed my finger when doing so. Also it didn't (for me) improve tuning stability.
Since then I simply bend the string at right angles to the post in the opposite direction to which the string will wind. Then one wind above and two below the string hole - the capstan shape of the post snugs the winds tight up around the string end. Then when tuned to pitch I snip the excess as close to the post as poss. and retune. Never had problems after stringing up this way provided that I give the new strings some gentle pulling up to help them settle around the posts and where they emerge from the bridge hole and over th saddle. No more stabbed fingers when removing strings either!
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Post by juliant on Jun 14, 2024 13:59:13 GMT
I like changing strings, it is like getting a new guitar, well nearly. Just changed mine on the Martin D10 and it sounds great. In the gigging days I was changing strings once or even twice a week so I got quite adept at doing it. Easy on a Strat or Tele. Acoustic is different I find and it takes me longer. Hey ho, there's always a challenge. It's definitely not my favourite task, and was one of the things that put me off buying a slot-head 12-string. But although I don't mind the sound of old strings, I do find it worth changing them fairly often because otherwise the new ones sound far too jangly.
What's nice about flat-wound strings is that they don't need changing so often; my acoustic bass is strung with tapewounds and my lap steel with flat-wound stainless steel, and I haven't touched either of them for over 20 years!
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