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Post by leoroberts on Aug 6, 2014 9:13:53 GMT
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Post by scorpiodog on Aug 6, 2014 9:37:27 GMT
It's really starting to sound the biz now, Bernd. To my ear, the D7sus4 wants to resolve into a D7 at the end. Is that because I am not Brazilian? Or simply that I have no idea what I'm talking about?
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Post by Akquarius on Aug 6, 2014 10:08:02 GMT
Thanks, Leo To my ear, the D7sus4 wants to resolve into a D7 at the end. Is that because I am not Brazilian? Or simply that I have no idea what I'm talking about? I guess you're right, Paul. What I would probably do is leave it this way in the middle of a song to keep the song open, but resolve to D7 (or something in that direction...) before ending the song with Em9. This way the tune "closes" before it's ended with the final chord.
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Post by missclarktree on Aug 6, 2014 18:18:05 GMT
Interesting to see this evolving. Sounding very Latin already.
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Post by creamburmese on Aug 7, 2014 14:39:25 GMT
I'm just checking into this thread after being away... sounds good! I'm going to start practicing the transitions. While I was gone I took a Bossa Nova class and got one of the basic rhythms down, so I'll see if I can post it once my head clears (I'm home sick ... or malingering... today) How did you get those nice chord diagrams? I have some progressions I can add...
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Post by creamburmese on Aug 7, 2014 16:00:11 GMT
Here are the chords for the first measure of Pat h Kirtley's "Itza Samba" he taught us (at least he taught some of us - I was just waving my fingers in the general area !)
Bm 22023x Em7 02003x F#7 22232x F#+ 22233x Bm 22023x
In each case only strings 234 and either alternating 5 and 6 or just 6 are used.
https%3A//soundcloud.com/creamburmese/bossa-1-chords
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Post by creamburmese on Aug 7, 2014 16:10:00 GMT
And here's my somewhat inept version of the same chords played at a slow tempo. I use the F# augmented (?) to add at the end of the F#7 - whenever you choose to add the extra finger the 2 chords between them make up one pattern. When I started learning the pattern I found it easiest to start with alternating base, then gradually add parts of the pattern. In this simple version the ima fingers are used as a block on strings 234 and p is used to either alternate between strings 5 and 6 or stay on string 6 according to the chord. https%3A//soundcloud.com/creamburmese/itza-measure1
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Post by creamburmese on Aug 7, 2014 16:42:59 GMT
And it progresses.... Em9 0x355x alternating to 5x355x Dmaj9 x3240x alternating to 3x240x
The base note alternates in both chords so you don't hold down 5th and 6th strings at the same time, just alternate between them. I haven't yet mastered the muting business - will have to work on it https%3A//soundcloud.com/creamburmese/itza-2
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Post by Akquarius on Aug 7, 2014 16:46:28 GMT
How did you get those nice chord diagrams? I have some progressions I can add... I use this site: Guitar Chord Diagrams Drawing ToolThanks for posting the clips, I'll have a listen as soon as I'm home! I'm courious: was it Pat Hirtley or Pat Kirtley ?
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Post by creamburmese on Aug 7, 2014 16:53:05 GMT
Um. Spelling seems to be a problem here. You are right! Pat Kirtley!
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Post by Akquarius on Aug 7, 2014 16:58:19 GMT
He's great! I have some of his work on celtic fingerstyle I'm trying to learn. That must have been a treat!
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Post by creamburmese on Aug 7, 2014 17:27:57 GMT
Pat Kirtley moved way too fast for me, what with learning rhythms and chords for the first time. I wasn't the only one - there was at least one person in the class who took it last year and said it took the year of practice since last year to get comfortable and keep up. That piece I'm posting actually has a tune that Pat picks out to go with the chords, and it goes twice as fast. He ran through 3 songs in that manner in the course of the week (6 hours of lessons). Hence my creative finger waving as an alternative to making strange atonal sounds on the guitar and having everyone scowl in my direction. He did however hand out chord charts, and I did get a pretty good idea of how the itzasamba chords are supposed to sound because we spent most time on that one (and I have a cellphone recording). Another neat teacher at camp was Muriel Anderson - I only took a couple of lessons in one of her classes, but I wish now I'd taken more. It was all too overwhelming - they suggest you don't take more than 2 or 3 classes (out of 4 max) and I can now see why - you need time to practice and sleep! At the time I really wanted to learn bossa and Muriel's classes seemed a bit scattered so I dropped it, but after having been back home awhile I realize that I will probably take away more from the 2 lessons that I took with her than I did with the 9 I took with Pat Kirtley (I also took his thumb style - we'll draw a blank over that - I never did get my alternating thumb to even vaguely approach independence which was a prerequisite for blazing through the song he was teaching). Muriel basically just demonstrated tips and techniques in several general styles - I'm using her pre- and post-play stretches for the fretting hand daily to prevent overuse injury and have discovered that stick-on nails stay put for days on end if you tape them and they work as well as regular nails if you break one (which I did) but they don't damage the nail underneath ... The best class I took as an alternate choice, called "string theory" taught by the folk artist Ray Chesna. A gifted and funny teacher with a unique approach to teaching theory - everything he taught was immediately applied to the guitar - who knew it was so easy (well relatively) to figure out the key changes the Beatles used repeatedly in their songs? I had several "light bulb' moments with him, and bought his book while I was there so I can continue where he left off (he covered approx the first semester of a college course in the week, he said!).
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Post by Akquarius on Aug 7, 2014 17:40:24 GMT
This must have been quite an experience. Are you planning to go there next time ?
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Post by creamburmese on Aug 7, 2014 19:12:00 GMT
For sure! And because I've been before, I'll get to preregister and be able to pick from the classes that fill up first. I'm planning strategy already... sign up for 4 so I can try them all the first day and drop one to allow some semblance of coping - try to pick afternoon classes so I can stay up late and jam, etc etc.
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Post by Akquarius on Aug 7, 2014 19:17:22 GMT
Woud be great if one could get sleep in advance Just found time to listen. Sounds great! The chord progression is very nice. I'll try it this weekend
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