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Post by francis on Jul 13, 2016 15:12:20 GMT
 Outline illustration of the next build - styled on a Gibson J-185, it's to replace the one now with scorpiodog though this will have a full cutaway rather than the pseudo cutaway of Paul's. Soundboard: Lutz Spruce, Back and sides: English Cherry, Neck reclaimed mahogany, tuners: Grover Sta-tite 18:1's other details still on the drawing board.... TBC |
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Post by scorpiodog on Jul 13, 2016 16:30:18 GMT
Blimey, Francis. If it's evolved from my guitar it'll be a stonker. I was playing mine this morning and marvelling at... well everything, really. Clarity, ease of playing, balance, bass response. It's basically a great guitar.
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Post by francis on Jul 13, 2016 16:43:53 GMT
Blimey, Francis. If it's evolved from my guitar it'll be a stonker. I was playing mine this morning and marvelling at... well everything, really. Clarity, ease of playing, balance, bass response. It's basically a great guitar. OK keep going scorpiodog - full review....  I'm matching the brace pattern to the triple O fanfret. A guy in the village has been round 3 times just to play the fanfret. He was playing it today when the UPS delivery guy arrived and he came in and had a play on the fanfret and a couple of others (quite chuffed because he made a delivery to Brooke's last week and thought mine was just as good). The fanfret to me is certainly the best guitar I've built so far. Here's hoping this one matches it.... |
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Post by francis on Jul 13, 2016 18:56:05 GMT
Just been revising the fanfret calculations from the triple O (in case) I want to make this one a fanfret too. Compensation calcs using: www.liutaiomottola.com/formulae/compensation.htm - individual string compensation cals made rather than using the single piece saddle calcs. Doing this would give me a 628.65 mm (24.75")treble side and 654 mm (25.748" bass side) keeping the null at the 9th fret. Radial point would be at 1160.9 mm from the bass side of the ninth fret... Needs more thought but tempted. |
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Post by andyhowell on Jul 13, 2016 21:29:48 GMT
Go for it. You know it asked sense.
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Post by R the F on Jul 13, 2016 21:45:20 GMT
Such a decisive start... and you're wavering already! (Good luck with measuring that 628.65mm!)
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Post by francis on Jul 14, 2016 8:20:20 GMT
 Taken thoughts on the multi-scale version a little further.... |
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Post by scripsit on Jul 14, 2016 8:26:23 GMT
Has to be.
Kym
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Post by R the F on Jul 14, 2016 10:06:31 GMT
The question is: can you resist the temptation? (I see you've slipped the logo in under our noses!)
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Post by scorpiodog on Jul 14, 2016 10:11:43 GMT
I think fanfrets look bloody weird. I have played only two, and, while I didn't find them difficult to play I failed to understand the benefit (I know the theory, but in practice I could discern nothing that would lead me to buying one).
Gwan, Francis. Use the first drawing in your design. Just so much nicer.
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Post by francis on Jul 14, 2016 12:54:13 GMT
I think fantrets look bloody weird. I have played only two, and, while I didn't find them difficult to play I failed to understand the benefit (I know the theory, but in practice I could discern nothing that would lead me to buying one). Gwan, Francis. Use the first drawing in your design. Just so much nicer. Well scorpiodog you'll have to try out the Triple 'O' multi-scale and I think you just might change your mind. Having a standard triple O and the multi-scale and getting someone else to play one after the other the sounds are completely different. The bass is richer and drop D tuning is something else on the multi-scale. Given that the body is smaller than the standard triple O due to the cutaway, the sound is the reverse. I aim to bring it to Halifax in September and will be interested in peoples views. One change will be the pinned bridge - that will have to go due to interference with the soundboard bracing passing under the bridge. So like with the previous one a pin-less bridge will be used. With the falcate style bracing more of the bracing passes under the bridge taking string vibrations to more of the soundboard than the X brace. I'm not sure about the solid sides and how much they have contributed to things. They certainly make the body heavier but the back plate when the guitar is played vibrates strongly against the body so it's certainly much more active - which is one of the advantages given for the solid sides that they don't absorb the energy of the front and back plates. So, straight or multi-scale....................................................................  |
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Post by ocarolan on Jul 14, 2016 22:00:03 GMT
...ignoring the scale issue for the moment, the cutaway design in the first drawing is soooo much more elegant to my eyes....  Keith |
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Post by francis on Jul 15, 2016 6:29:19 GMT
...ignoring the scale issue for the moment, the cutaway design in the first drawing is soooo much more elegant to my eyes.... Keith Agree Keith. The flowing lines of the Venetian cutaway are easier on the eye than the Florentine cutaway on the triple O. I need to make an insert for the body mould whichever route I take on the cutaway versions. There is always the full body and straight fret to consider too. I'm looking at all options at the moment before I cut any wood but favouring the Venetian cutaway with a multi-scale fret board at the moment... Something like this perhaps:  |
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Post by andyhowell on Jul 15, 2016 16:48:40 GMT
Me to Michael Watts this afternoon:
Have you never fancied a fab fret?
Him: the trouble is with DADGAD there are too many difficult stretches.
Me: Only if you play DADGAD like you do!
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Post by andyhowell on Jul 15, 2016 16:49:06 GMT
I'm a covert. Ignore that Keith chap. Go for the fan!
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