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Post by scorpiodog on Jan 26, 2017 21:35:09 GMT
I like that idea a lot Keith, forgive me but I am not very knowledgeable about sound equip, watts, etc. Would two solo amps mean twice the power? Two louder so to speak?  . As I understand it, it works on something I think is called the inverse square law. As a rule of thumb, if you double the power you add 10 per cent or so. I don't pretend to understand this stuff and I am happy to be corrected if I'm wrong. |
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Post by ocarolan on Jan 26, 2017 23:37:34 GMT
I like that idea a lot Keith, forgive me but I am not very knowledgeable about sound equip, watts, etc. Would two solo amps mean twice the power? Two louder so to speak? It certainly would be a cheaper option than the Line6. This approach is not about being "louder", Lynn. It's about sound dispersion, spreading the same volume over a wider area by having more than one sound source - Imagine a large room full of, say 250 people. Imagine a single sound source at one end of that room, firing along the long dimension of that room. People near the sound source may be deafened if the volume is loud enough to be adequate for the people right at the back to hear well. This takes a lot of power and probably doesn't give anybody ideal sound. By putting two or more sound sources in different places, more people can hear better without having the need for such volume since more people will be nearish the sound source, and fewer people will be far away enough to need huge volume increase. Hope I'm explaining this well enough! It's not about watts or absolute volume, it's about bringing the sound source(s) nearer to more people. Having eg two Fishmans will straight away give you sound over a greater area, which is what you are actually trying to achieve I think. Firing these two Fishmans across the shorter dimension of the room reduces the distance of the furthest audience members from the sound sources, provided that the audience doesn't extend too far laterally. The Fishman has a pretty good dispersion laterally and vertically - I remember trying Paul Brett's, and listening to others it them at HB2 I think it was. It was still possible to hear a solo guitar at the back and the sides of the room without the volume near the unit being overpowering. Is there any chance you could borrow another Fishman and experiment? Keith |
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Post by Wild Violet on Jan 27, 2017 0:38:42 GMT
Thank you for explaining, it makes more sense now than it did before. It would be easy enough to ask any venue to set the stage area along the long wall so the sound didn't have to go as far back into the room.
There is a new version of the Soloamp out now in the US called the SA330x, it should be coming soon to the UK and it has a little more power - 330w I believe. You can also buy an 'extender board' which allows for more than one mic and one guitar input, which is what the current Fishman has. I won't need to buy anything for a while yet but if it would work for a large room, I'd seriously consider getting one to go along with my current Soloamp.
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Post by andyhowell on Jan 30, 2017 16:32:46 GMT
Richard is right about shelling out.
Using two Fishman's will help. Using the thin dimensions of the hall means a little less work for the PAs but they have a wider dispersal pattern so this arrangement should work. Steve Knightly uses a double Bose setup (similar principle) for almost every solo gig — he tends to shun the house PA (at least he does in Brum)
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Post by Wild Violet on Apr 22, 2017 14:51:15 GMT
I've been using the Fishman SA220 with a standard XLR to 1/4" jack cable from the 'monitor out' XLR into the instrument input on my Roland AC-33 and it's been working well as an additional speaker. Can someone give me a link to what cable I would need to use as an actual line-in on the Roland, and would doing this mean I could now use both the mic and instrument inputs on the Roland for another musician? I may not be understanding how this all works correctly, so please explain if this is not an option. This is what the back of the Fishman looks like:  Here is the Roland:  |
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Post by Wild Violet on Apr 26, 2017 8:58:33 GMT
any advice at all about the cable? Does it matter if it is balanced or unbalanced? I don't really understand the differences and I need to get something ordered ASAP...
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Post by scorpiodog on Apr 26, 2017 11:03:41 GMT
My instinct is that you are approaching this in the wrong way, Lynn. If you are using the Roland as a monitor, I think it is a slave from the Fishman, and will cause problems if you try to use it as an amplifier as well as a monitor. I think you need a small mixer for mic and instrument inputs to the Fishman and continue to use the Roland as a monitor/secondary speaker. I have no idea how good this one is, but it looks like it might do the trick. hereBut as I've said many times, I'm far from an expert in this, and I am happy to be ridiculed by those more knowledgeable among us. |
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Post by Wild Violet on Apr 26, 2017 14:31:05 GMT
That makes sense, thank you so much Paul!
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Post by Wild Violet on May 15, 2017 15:47:18 GMT
Another question because I know nothing at all about this stuff - if I got a mixer such as the one below, where exactly would I need to put the cable into it that would plug into the soloamp, and where on the soloamp would it go? (soloamp photos in posts above)  |
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Post by scorpiodog on May 15, 2017 15:52:00 GMT
Somewhere not in the picture will be a line out socket. That can attach with a cable (choose the plugs carefully - may be XLR, may be jack) to any input you like (probably, but not necessarily the aux in).
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Post by ocarolan on May 15, 2017 16:52:03 GMT
You could stick an ordinary jack lead into one of the main outs from the mixer and take it to one of the main Fishman jack channel inputs. Just put all the mixer channels to eg Left, and use the L output from mixer.
Or you could use the twin phono outs from the mixer to the phono aux inputs on the Fishman, which would leave both main channels on the latter free.
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Post by Wild Violet on May 18, 2017 10:18:11 GMT
I didn't buy the mixer as I found another Fishman SA220 going for a decent price secondhand - since it's the setup I wanted to have eventually, I figured a mixer would unnecessary at this point. If I play with more than one other person then I will go ahead and get a mixer. So my NEXT question is.... looking at the photo here, it looks like I just need two XLR cables to connect the Fishmans together using the monitor in/out. Do the cables need to be balanced, unbalanced, does it matter? Google was not my friend in this instance. Would two decent quality mic cables do the job? Thank you again for all the help, I am very grateful!  |
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Post by scorpiodog on May 18, 2017 10:28:02 GMT
If you can do XLR to XLR that's probably best, but when we use a bigger mixer with our Bose it has to go XLR to jack (there's no XLR input on the amp) and I can't hear any drop in quality. Try the mic leads.
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Post by ocarolan on May 18, 2017 10:43:04 GMT
Pretty sure two XLR-XLR mic leads would do the job - monitor out to monitor in, and vice versa.
The monitor knobs on the front of each should then allow you to control how loud the stuff from the other one comes through. Neat.
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Post by Wild Violet on May 18, 2017 10:47:49 GMT
Thank you both so much!!!  |
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