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Post by andyhowell on Oct 7, 2016 18:37:47 GMT
It is a bit rough when you can't remember the words to your own songs :-)
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Post by lavaman on Oct 7, 2016 21:15:13 GMT
It is a bit rough when you can't remember the words to your own songs :-) Too right. I draft some words, change them and then during the performance get them mixed up unintentionally. I must be a COG but will never admit it.
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Post by andyhowell on Oct 7, 2016 22:43:20 GMT
I always make a joke of if. Tends to work. Audiences are very tolerant most of the time.
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Post by walkingdecay on Oct 7, 2016 22:57:17 GMT
My mate just pointed out that we used to see everyone from Val Doonican to Marianne Faithful using idiot boards, and it was better that they did that than leave us vamping for a verse while the pianist tried to make it all sound intentional. Well, he used to see them doing it. I was too busy sitting with my stomach in knots and with my eyes darting between music stand and leader as I tried not to mess up.
And he just told me that one of our bandmates who worked on a show with Streisand said she had everything on autocue: lyrics, timings, even apparent off the cuff remarks. Hey, if it's good enough for Babs...
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Post by dreadnought28 on Oct 8, 2016 3:54:23 GMT
I always make a joke of if. Tends to work. Audiences are very tolerant most of the time. But how long do you expect to hold on to audiences in the long run if they have to be "tolerant" when one presumes they have come out to be entertained?
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Post by andyhowell on Oct 8, 2016 8:09:22 GMT
I always make a joke of if. Tends to work. Audiences are very tolerant most of the time. But how long do you expect to hold on to audiences in the long run if they have to be "tolerant" when one presumes they have come out to be entertained? It doesn't happen very often and my audiences are often appreciative of the whole thing. You must share with me the secret of never making a mistake or forgetting a line. Over the years I watched many fine artists forget a line or two. Experience allows them to deal with it with humour and it all odds to the experience. But if this hasn't happened to you, you must be super human ;-)
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Post by slasher on Oct 8, 2016 19:03:32 GMT
There are no folk clubs by the old definition in my area. By that I mean a mixture of residents/locals nights and some booked guest nights. There are lots of sessions and amusingly the only amplified one calls itself "Acoustic" though the last time I went (the very last..) there were keyboards, Fender strat and bass. At the session I MC I turned away an amplifier toting performer last month. The venue has good acoustics and a well mannered audience so amps are not required. There are more sessions than there ever were Folk Clubs round here only saturday night does not seem to have one. The amplified one is about 15 miles away, all the really local nights are acoustic. One of the sessions is fairly well supported by young people the rest are largely middle aged and older, so when they go so will the events. Music stands and ipads---arrgh!
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Post by thejamsinger on Oct 9, 2016 17:31:54 GMT
Don't see the problem with music stands iPads tablets etc, every orchestra has them and they are professional musicians. I'm assuming most on here are amateur i.e. Have day jobs so don't have all day to rehearse. As for is there a future for folk clubs I would say yes. I'm lucky where I live there are plenty within a 15 mile radius, granted most now cater for all styles of music not just folk. Some clubs are sing around types, a few have pa's and one is a full on jam night with electric guitars and drums. Don't have a problem either with pa or sing around. Age groups are mixed apart from one where it's mainly made up of coffin dodgers. At this particular club they call me lad and I'm 52, lol.
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Post by walkingdecay on Oct 10, 2016 14:00:00 GMT
This thread has had a salutary effect of helping me decide not to go to singers' nights anymore. In these parts they're mostly to be endured rather than enjoyed, and I was attending out of a sense of duty. No more.
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Post by andyhowell on Oct 10, 2016 17:15:46 GMT
This thread has had a salutary effect of helping me decide not to go to singers' nights anymore. In these parts they're mostly to be endured rather than enjoyed, and I was attending out of a sense of duty. No more. It's a shame but I wish people would put a bit more thought into them. Some nights with four or five feature artists is good — you can give them all 40 minutes. More open nights are good with feature spot at the end of beginning of the second half. For open mic nights rather than say three songs say 10 minutes! SaveSave
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Post by dreadnought28 on Oct 11, 2016 0:11:24 GMT
This thread has had a salutary effect of helping me decide not to go to singers' nights anymore. In these parts they're mostly to be endured rather than enjoyed, and I was attending out of a sense of duty. No more. Yes that is what I have done. Life is too short. I play occasional gigs instead. In the summer I supported Buddy Mondlock on his short UK tour which was far more enjoyable.
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Post by dreadnought28 on Oct 11, 2016 0:15:29 GMT
Don't see the problem with music stands iPads tablets etc, every orchestra has them and they are professional musicians. I'm assuming most on here are amateur i.e. Have day jobs so don't have all day to rehearse. As for is there a future for folk clubs I would say yes. I'm lucky where I live there are plenty within a 15 mile radius, granted most now cater for all styles of music not just folk. Some clubs are sing around types, a few have pa's and one is a full on jam night with electric guitars and drums. Don't have a problem either with pa or sing around. Age groups are mixed apart from one where it's mainly made up of coffin dodgers. At this particular club they call me lad and I'm 52, lol. Professional members of orchestras read music and very often cannot play by ear. The music stands we are discussing are for the words that should be learned. This is completely different.
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Post by thejamsinger on Oct 11, 2016 6:57:39 GMT
Dreadnought even the pro's have the words in front of them. Some have a folder on a stand some have smart phone or tablet clamped to a mic stand. Like I said it doesn't bother me after all it's supposed to be a bit of fun.
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Post by leoroberts on Oct 11, 2016 7:34:49 GMT
Professional members of orchestras read music and very often cannot play by ear. The music stands we are discussing are for the words that should be learned. This is completely different. Couldn't agree more, dreadnought28 . Same goes for set lists, yeah? The number of so called 'professional musicians' I've seen with set lists taped to their instruments or taped to the floor...people like Ralph McTell, James Taylor, Elvis Costello, Paul Simon... they are a disgrace to music. I mean, if they can't be bothered learning which order the bloody songs come in then they shouldn't be allowed to play in public, am I right or am I right?
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Post by Wild Violet on Oct 11, 2016 8:14:57 GMT
I have a sneaky feeling that those who oppose music/ipad stands (yes I have been an opposer in the past, and no I don't use one myself) have not yet reached the age where your memory has started to fail you. I don't like to see them when they are used as a crutch by someone with a perfectly fine memory, but I can't begrudge older or memory challenged people using them.
***runs to remove the set lists taped to both guitars
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