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Post by Onechordtrick on Apr 11, 2019 11:07:54 GMT
What's a muneca please? Google tells me "baby doll" or an affectionate term for one's girlfriend! My mind is well and truly boggled! So either luthery is far more complicated than I thought or Google isn't as helpful as I'd hoped.
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Post by ocarolan on Apr 11, 2019 11:53:23 GMT
What's a muneca please? Google tells me "baby doll" or an affectionate term for one's girlfriend! My mind is well and truly boggled! So either luthery is far more complicated than I thought or Google isn't as helpful as I'd hoped. I believe it's the ball of cloth or whatever that is used to apply and spread the shellac when french polishing. I'm sure colins can give more detail and/or put me right if I'm talking cohones! keith |
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Post by colins on Apr 11, 2019 11:53:24 GMT
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Post by Onechordtrick on Apr 11, 2019 11:58:52 GMT
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Post by Martin on Apr 11, 2019 18:23:18 GMT
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Post by colins on Apr 17, 2019 14:15:10 GMT
I plucked up the courage to install the K&K system today, this is one job where you do a lot of dry runs, then decide to do it tomorrow. I always install all three pickups at the same time rather than singly, I have a simple jig that I use.  The jig is marked with the exact spots for the pickups, I usually make a new one for each installation. Yes, I could use the same one, but I usually can't find it. The pickups are placed on their pads of bluetac, and cyanoacrylate gel glue is spread across the entire surface of the pickup. Their position is checked and adjusted then the jig is inserted into the guitar and the pins located through the E string holes and the pickups pressed in place firmly against the bridge plate. I hold it there for about a minute, then remove the jig. Sorry no pics of this bit as I'm a bit busy when this is going on. And now we have a naked jig, just as nature intended.  I have already predilled the jack socket hole in the heel using a 12mm forstner bit, and the jack socket is pushed through from the inside (I use a knitting needle through from the outside to guide the socket into the hole) and the nut is tightened.  Last thing before final tightening is to put a half twist in the cable to hold it away from the top and back.  Handy things soundports. Colin |
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Post by leoroberts on Apr 17, 2019 14:33:24 GMT
That 'half twist' idea is ace... is that recommended by the manufacturer? Or did you come up with it yourself, Colin?
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Post by Vinny on Apr 17, 2019 14:58:13 GMT
I do this in identical fashion. Chuffed that I do it the same way as an expert like colins! I use a chopstick instead of a knitting needle. Can use neither chopsticks nor needle for their intended purpose though. Loving this build.
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Post by robmc on Apr 17, 2019 16:48:13 GMT
A very classy looking guitar Colin. Given the amount of 'hold-your-nerve' moments in guitar building luthiers would make excellent bomb disposal experts.
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Post by ocarolan on Apr 17, 2019 17:57:19 GMT
...any reason why you don't stick the transducers on before closing the box, Colin?
My jig is even simpler - Blutack and a thin strip of cardboard only, with placement by eye (through bridgepin holes) and feel. In fact only feel with pinless bridges, though I do drill a small hole at the outboard end of the saddle slot(s) to poke a bit of wire (unbent paper clip or ball end plus and inch or so of top e string) through to feel inside. I leave the cardboard in situ.
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Post by colins on Apr 17, 2019 18:57:39 GMT
...any reason why you don't stick the transducers on before closing the box, Colin? Keith ocarolan With a steel string I would always be worrying that I got the measurements wrong, especially with a 14 fret guitar, just a couple of mm out can make a difference to these. I know this as I had to remove and refit a set to a guitar where it's owner had fitted them incorrectly, the difference was very noticeable.
With a classical then yes I do fit them on the soundboard before closing the box, which is pretty simple as it's a 12 fret guitar and the last bit you fit is the back, the top is already fitted to the neck and sides and it's face down in the solera.
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Post by foz on Apr 18, 2019 13:46:19 GMT
A great explanation on installation, many thanks again. I have grown fond of all the build threads on this forum and the openness of everyone here.
For my second 000 build i have been asked to install a pickup and i have been looking at this model, though i am not knowledgeable on the topic.
When i suggested this model i was met with a 'does it not come with a volume and tone adjuster' to which i didn't have an answer of why it doesn't and if there is a benefit to not having this feature. I would prefer not to include due to the added installation complexity.
Is the benefit of this model in its simplicity and that it is best to rely on the PA / amp to manage the sound, rather than adding less quality components from the pickup? Would buying a pickup with a volume and tone of reasonable quality be substantial more in cost and installation complexity?
Many thanks as always.
Andy
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Post by lavaman on Apr 18, 2019 14:58:52 GMT
Is the benefit of this model in its simplicity and that it is best to rely on the PA / amp to manage the sound, rather than adding less quality components from the pickup? Would buying a pickup with a volume and tone of reasonable quality be substantial more in cost and installation complexity? Many thanks as always. Andy Choice of pickup is a very personal thing. I use K&K on most of my guitars because they sound ok, don't cost a lot, and have no batteries to replace. For folk clubs and open mics etc I rely on the PA man to get a decent sound but I do ask them to turn down the mid EQ a little bit. For a gig I use an Orchid preamp. Iain |
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Post by colins on Apr 18, 2019 15:16:51 GMT
What Iain said, they do allow the guitar to sound as it should without adding lots of electronics to the party, a sort of straight wire with gain. They are the only ones I'll install, but they do have a number of options with preamps and mics as well. I prefer as little as possible on the guitar itself, anything else you want to do to the sound can be done on external equipment.
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Post by foz on Apr 18, 2019 16:21:20 GMT
Thanks Iain and Colin, that's helped a lot!
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