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Post by davewhite on Jul 9, 2013 11:38:51 GMT
This later year I’m going to be the youthful age of sixty (or fifty plus VAT as I prefer to call it ) and want to make myself a “present”. After some deliberation I’ve decided to make a Baritone Acoustic Lap Slide guitar which I’ve had in mind for some time now. I’d selected some Claro Walnut for the back and sides and a European spruce top but after some debate with Shubbs (Earwighoney) on Jonny’s Flamenco thread I had another think deciding that an as much as possible English wood theme would be more appropriate and had another look in my wood stash at a European Walnut harp guitar back and sides set I got from David Dyke. A little lateral thinking later I realised I could get the back and top of the lap slide from this set with careful layout and as one end of the set is quarter-sawn this would work for the top and the other rift-sawn end would work for the back. Those of you that know me know that the most important thing for a new instrument is to find the right name and after much head scratching Mark Thomson came up with the Scots Gaelic required – “An Torman Mòr” – “The Big Rumbling”. The second important thing is to find a case that the new design can be made around and I got this dreadnought case where the neck support compartment can be unscrewed and removed and a custom neck support for the hollow neck made: Now I could make the plans. This took several iterations of drawing out on lining paper and leaving it pinned on a wall to contemplate over a few weeks and change as necessary. It went through several iterations – Jonny saw one on one of his visits – and has lots of rubbing out and re-drawing and after a final “Eurika” moment moving the soundhole up the body slightly and lengthening the neck it changed from a tubby looking “cygnet” into a more elegant “swan”: Here’s the English Walnut harp guitar set: And here’s most of the other stuff I’ll need: It will have a 724mm scale length (28.5”) designed for Bb to Bb; an English Walnut peghead; the binding will be English walnut side off-cuts; the fingerboard, bridge, peg head veneer and end graft will be Bog Oak together with black/whit/black purfling. I have a lot of finishing work to do but will then be starting this one in earnest in a week or so and will document progress here.
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Post by keithambridge on Jul 9, 2013 11:48:14 GMT
This looks interesting Dave, I'll be following the build.
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Post by ocarolan on Jul 9, 2013 12:13:29 GMT
........................................ Those of you that know me know that the most important thing for a new instrument is to find the right name and after much head scratching Mark Thomson came up with the Scots Gaelic required – “An Torman Mòr” – “The Big Rumbling”. ....................................................... Great name!! (Though it does sound a bit like what I was suffering from last week!) This is v exciting Dave - a great idea for a project. Self-given presents are always the best, and self-made ones better yet! Will be watching with interest - all the best for the build. Keith
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Post by brianr2 on Jul 9, 2013 12:25:22 GMT
A wonderful present to yourself and, as L'oreal has it, "you're worth it". I shall follow this thread with interest.
I too am hurtling towards sexagenarianism (!!!!) and love your version of "50 plus VAT". I shall use this shamelessly (with proper attribution of course). Thanks for letting me not only fudge the issue but also blame HMRC in the process. This said, I think we have had the best of times and do not envy the youth of today in the trials they face.
Brian
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Post by leoroberts on Jul 9, 2013 13:08:10 GMT
I shall be following this with interest, Mr White ... have you a timescale? Ready for Halifax? Leo
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Post by davewhite on Jul 9, 2013 13:19:13 GMT
Keith A - thanks.
Keith C - Thanks and I'm glad that your rumbling has subsided.
Brian - Thanks too and feel free to nick the phrase. I think I nicked it from an episode of "An Island Parish".
Leo - Yes, definitely ready for Halifax.
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Post by davewhite on Jul 10, 2013 19:22:28 GMT
In between waiting for egg whites to dry I managed to get started on this today. First up is the peghead. I fashioned a peghead from a piece of English walnut with an extra piece glued on to make the heel a little deeper. Then a Bog Oak veneer is glued on the peghead face using fish glue: The tuner hole positions are marked and the holes drilled with a 10mm drill bit: The peghead is then shaped and the Gotoh tuners with ebony buttons checked for fit: The sides of the peghead heel will be sanded smooth and the sides of the hollow neck glued to them. The final shaping of the peghead will be done then:
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Post by scripsit on Jul 11, 2013 8:50:51 GMT
Or you could fret that, bung it on a box and make a very short scale guitar.
Kym
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Post by earwighoney on Jul 11, 2013 9:08:43 GMT
Alright Dave
A beautiful set of English Walnut you have there, it'll be a great present to yourself for your 50(+VAT) Birthday. The progress is looking good so far!
A bit of a stupid question but a Weiss type guitar with a hollow neck, does it have a truss rod? I imagine not as there's no need? I imagine there will be a lot of tension in the string set, but does the hollow neck able to support it?
I love the sound of Weiss type guitars. I tried to play one once and it was a perplexing experience!
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Post by davewhite on Jul 11, 2013 9:22:09 GMT
Or you could fret that, bung it on a box and make a very short scale guitar. Kym Indeed
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Post by davewhite on Jul 11, 2013 9:30:43 GMT
A bit of a stupid question but a Weiss type guitar with a hollow neck, does it have a truss rod? I imagine not as there's no need? I imagine there will be a lot of tension in the string set, but does the hollow neck able to support it? I love the sound of Weiss type guitars. I tried to play one once and it was a perplexing experience! Shubbs, No truss rod. String tension is as per any other guitar - just choose the right string gauges - but the saddle is higher off the soundboard to facilitate slide playing and this puts a bit more torque on the top so you brace accordingly. The neck needs to have rigidity to avoid it curling up too much like a banana and some makers use spruce stiffeners on the hollow neck sides - a bit like double sides there - but I'll be using carbon fibre tubes as you will see later If you persevere, lap slides are not that hard to play - I find them easier than playing normal slide guitar as I prefer the feel of the bar and playing with the guitar facing me. You need to learn all of the slide techniques though and Matin W's (slidingwolf) excellent tutorial is a good place to start.
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Post by earwighoney on Jul 14, 2013 11:22:30 GMT
Alright Dave,
Thanks for the info on the neck. Looking forward to seeing the pictures of carbon fibre rods in the construction of the neck. A small distraction, do you use carbon fibres on your other guitars? It seems that some of the old Weiss type/lap steel guitars are fairly stable. I was trying to find a video for it, but there's a English guy in a wheelchair who plays lap steel guitars and there's one where he's playing a old Martin lap steel (spruce/Brazilian) which sounds unbelievable (amazing playing too).
Thanks for the info regarding the learning lap slide guitar, I'm a big fan of Jack Rose who's Weiss playing I found very inspirational (before he died he used to play a Pete Howlett guitar who occasionally posted on these forums) . I thought about it buying a Weiss type guitar but flamenco guitar 'picked me' instead... I liked the name for your proposed pearwood flamenco, if I were to have given my flamenco guitar a name I'd call mine 'la niña gordita de pelo rojo'...
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Post by davewhite on Jul 14, 2013 11:46:19 GMT
A small distraction, do you use carbon fibres on your other guitars? It seems that some of the old Weiss type/lap steel guitars are fairly stable. Shubbs. I use carbon fibre in just about every instrument I make - maybe I'm an addict Some old Weisses are stable and a lot are very much not. As long as they don't implode a higher action isn't a problem for slide playing though. Do you mean Tom Doughty? Who are you calling "chubby" Oh, your flamenco
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Post by davewhite on Aug 10, 2013 20:47:16 GMT
After a little pause it's time to get to back to work on this beauty. The next thing I need is a mould and so “Seve the Solera” is promoted from Flamenco duties and adapted for a Baritone lap slide guitar: The English Walnut sides are thicknessed and are then bent in the Fox-style bender using a heating blanket for the waist and lower bout. The upper bout and hollow neck parts are bent using the hot pipe: Here's the sides after bending and trimming at the tail block end clamped in "Seve" - you can never have too many clamps :
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Post by leoroberts on Aug 10, 2013 20:57:34 GMT
You can never have too many clamps? My eyes are watering here, davewhite!
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